Message from @Tiggy
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I agree they are a lot like other secular cults.
Well, Stalin. Basically. Or that guy who ran Scientology
They are not "a lot like," they *are* a cult.
If you want to argue they're not, you need to give a list of things that differentiate the two.
I'm not disagreeing with you
I'm basically saying that there is a secular cult, and then there's a lot of people who think they are in it but really aren't
You could call them first circle initiates if you want. But for me, it's a little too lose to call the whole movement a cult
Rad fem definitely is a secular cult - no doubt about that.
But, as I said, they are an ideology - not a religion.
Sorry if this is coming out a bit disjointed, I'm very tired and and I still have a lot of work to do tonight
I should really pick this up later, but I think comparing them to racists is a good strategy.
I mean yeah, if you target-swap anti-male statements of course it's going to sound closer to racism
There are a number of reasons I see it closer to religion
Feminism is basically a base set of ideals but the individuals are able to interpret and apply those ideals as they see fit, same deal with religion, there's no real consistency from individual to individual
In religion, if you denounce (insert religion's god here) you are to be damned for all eternity. When it comes to feminism, if you denounce their ideals, you might as well be damned
Comparing it to racism is a very good way to point out particular instances of man-hate
But I've never seen a racist be able to excuse themselves by saying "I'm not against black people, I'm just pro white"
("I'm not against men, I'm just pro women")
Yeah. Tell a feminist that "I'm not against women, I'm just pro male." See how they respond.
"Feminism is basically a base set of ideals but the individuals are able to interpret and apply those ideals as they see fit," is literally a secular ideology.
And they absolutely do say "we aren't against black people! We just want them to go back and live in their own country!" @Mush
its veyr hypocritical that the same feminists who say its not up to men to define feminism are the ones who use terms like mansplaining and "decide" how the MRM actually is
Oh yes. It's all about controlling the argument. If you are the only one who is allowed to speak, then you can say whatever you want. It's the kind of power-move Putin makes where the truth doesn't matter. That's why they define everything in metrics of power.
I'd also say it is due to how many women are used to discussion and social group. If you can shame and ostracise somebody and 'other' them within your group of friends they are excluded. In my experience at least, most men are more accepting of differences. You don't need to agree to respect someone, nor does disagreeing with someone make you respect them less. I do agree it's strange how much feminism is able to propose/say/comment on when it comes to men, when replacing 'men' with any other group would be deemed very racist.
Imo the element of unhinged misandry within feminism will destroy it eventually,, the question is more what will happen in the meantime as the pendulum resets.
I have a hunch they will try to stall by claiming that every MRM victory is, depending on what it is, either a feminist victory or an outright attack on women.
Let them whine.
It's not so much the whining I'm worried about, but their ability to present that as fact and use it to undermine our movement
Possible. But if we are successful in obtaining legal victories, that’s more important
True, but I don't think we should underestimate propaganda victories on their part. One issue I see is that a lot of our current and past victories aren't linked to us. For example - I think we need to claim things like the gay rights movement and all those legal victories specifically as being Men's Rights. I've seen feminists try to claim similar things - when in actuallity they opposed them at the time.
Nothing like some good ol' victim blaming to start the morning off right
Apparently it's mens' fault that no one pays attention when they're sexually assaulted
Men's rights is through, pack it up guys and girls, we can all go home now
Yeah.
They like to say that Toxic Masculinity is caused by hatred of women.
And all male issues, including suicide, are based on Toxic M
Maybe tell them that you have never, ever, ever, seen a feminist as a sex object. XD
Toxic masculinity is just the boogeyman for people who hate men
It wouldn't be too difficult to create a counterpart to women
It would. I think the idea is really kinda awful either way though,. I think we should talk about toxic behavior in general, not try to blame a gender.