Message from @InsaneCaterpilla
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My argument assumes life is unknown. You can't know it's going to be good but you can't know it's going to be bad either
And if they deny you assisted suicide they can send you down other avenues to help you find coping mechanisms
I would think how your life has gone is a pretty good indicator of how it is going
Doesn't mean it can't be turned around
Course it can. We can also give a cow wings and have it fly over the moon. What's your point?
People seeking assisted suicide may not have tried the correct areas yet, lives should be saved where they can, but in cases like terminal cancer or dementia or other horrible things like that, I feel people have the right to die with dignity
That’s just my stance on it
That's basically mine too.
Also cows flying to the moon is awesome and I want to stick around to see it
That and game of thrones hasn't finished yet
I get refusing someone suicide if they've been suicidal for all of three weeks. They'll thank you later. The same cannot be said of many suicidal people.
but isn't that only because they'll thank you later?
Ha. Well my point is yes, maybe they can have a better life. But if it doesn't seem like it, forcing them to stay is no better than slavery
Yeah, at what point do you really have the right to decide for someone else that they should suffer through turning their lives around? (assuming that, of course, it is possible for everyone)
Well I've had my flashes since before university. It sucks but I have shit to do
But that's just me.
I don't think it should be illegal which it isn't but i don't think it should be legalised. I think the conversation can change without that change
What is currently illegal is helping someone else do so safely
I think it should be legalised but under very, very heavy regulations
As opposed to terribly geurilla and painfully
Safe is a strange word to use for death
Its not easy to talk about something you're thinking about doing under the threat of getting sectioned.
But I get it
@InsaneCaterpilla that's true but that's not been my experience
I mean, I’ve had my dad scream at me to help him take his life, he fine now
@Abbysol I'm really sorry but he'd be fine if he was dead, too
It may be a strange word, but "safe", as in, read this and consider the result of the failure states: http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms. And as far as failure states go, that one is relatively mild.
:s
No, if he was dead he was have missed his sons graduation today
No, dead people don't miss anything.
They lack that ability
I doubt he would agree with you, especially since it doesn’t just take your own life because it also hurts the people who care about you
Dead people can't agree either. I'm sorry, they just can't.
Being dead is an end to such concerns.
Then it is also Inherently selfish
It sure isn't altrustic, but one has to consider how much of a claim the world has on your life
Well, scratch that
It can sometimes be altruistic
but still
If your actual quality of life if gone, genuinely gone, then fine, let people die with dignity, but not if you are young, healthy, and have the capacity to seek help.
Hrm, are suicidal people inherently unhealthy?
If not, what of cases of young and healthy people who lack a reason to live, who feel meaningless?