but isn't that only because they'll thank you later?

Ha. Well my point is yes, maybe they can have a better life. But if it doesn't seem like it, forcing them to stay is no better than slavery

Yeah, at what point do you really have the right to decide for someone else that they should suffer through turning their lives around? (assuming that, of course, it is possible for everyone)

Well I've had my flashes since before university. It sucks but I have shit to do

But that's just me.

I don't think it should be illegal which it isn't but i don't think it should be legalised. I think the conversation can change without that change

What is currently illegal is helping someone else do so safely

I think it should be legalised but under very, very heavy regulations

As opposed to terribly geurilla and painfully

Safe is a strange word to use for death

Its not easy to talk about something you're thinking about doing under the threat of getting sectioned.

But I get it

@InsaneCaterpilla that's true but that's not been my experience

I mean, I’ve had my dad scream at me to help him take his life, he fine now

@Abbysol I'm really sorry but he'd be fine if he was dead, too

It may be a strange word, but "safe", as in, read this and consider the result of the failure states: http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms. And as far as failure states go, that one is relatively mild.

:s

No, if he was dead he was have missed his sons graduation today

No, dead people don't miss anything.

They lack that ability

I doubt he would agree with you, especially since it doesn’t just take your own life because it also hurts the people who care about you

Dead people can't agree either. I'm sorry, they just can't.

Being dead is an end to such concerns.

Then it is also Inherently selfish

It sure isn't altrustic, but one has to consider how much of a claim the world has on your life

Well, scratch that

It can sometimes be altruistic

but still

If your actual quality of life if gone, genuinely gone, then fine, let people die with dignity, but not if you are young, healthy, and have the capacity to seek help.

Hrm, are suicidal people inherently unhealthy?

If not, what of cases of young and healthy people who lack a reason to live, who feel meaningless?

Depends, if your life is just shit right now then no, wanting an easy out isn’t that abnormal, however on something like severe clinical depression, it gets a little less clear

It is possible for someone's life to be "just shit right now" for a rather extended period of time

Yes, but there is still that distinction

fair enough

My Aunt committed suicide, all of the shrinks said it was an inevitability because of her severe bipolar

Though I think the DSM V makes it hard to distinguish between the two

Yeah my bad days are hopeless. Good days I'm like "what was my problem?"

@James For that reason I think a sane euthanasia law would establish a months-long waiting period

Evaluation for something like this wouldn’t be a one off session, with consistent sessions with the same person

That's an interesting be dynamic