Maybe not a mental disorder but definitely a lack of coping strategies

Just because your opinion is that life is good, doesnt make it easier for those others who it generally causes pain

Which shouldn't just make suicide a viable option

I mean it will be someone who can assess that there is hope for the future and you are just having a down, or if pain and suffering will continue so they can help you go down the right avenues to make it as little pain and less stress possible.

There isn't always hope. There isn't always a future. Your argument presupposes that

I didn't say life is good. It's definitely not easy. That doesn't mean you can't cope or find strategies for coping

I know, I am saying that it is someone who can honestly and unbiasedly say if it is really the most humane option or not

If life really isn't easy, then that means it is a foregone conclusion that some people will be unable to cope

My argument assumes life is unknown. You can't know it's going to be good but you can't know it's going to be bad either

And if they deny you assisted suicide they can send you down other avenues to help you find coping mechanisms

I would think how your life has gone is a pretty good indicator of how it is going

Doesn't mean it can't be turned around

Course it can. We can also give a cow wings and have it fly over the moon. What's your point?

People seeking assisted suicide may not have tried the correct areas yet, lives should be saved where they can, but in cases like terminal cancer or dementia or other horrible things like that, I feel people have the right to die with dignity

That’s just my stance on it

That's basically mine too.

Also cows flying to the moon is awesome and I want to stick around to see it

That and game of thrones hasn't finished yet

I get refusing someone suicide if they've been suicidal for all of three weeks. They'll thank you later. The same cannot be said of many suicidal people.

but isn't that only because they'll thank you later?

Ha. Well my point is yes, maybe they can have a better life. But if it doesn't seem like it, forcing them to stay is no better than slavery

Yeah, at what point do you really have the right to decide for someone else that they should suffer through turning their lives around? (assuming that, of course, it is possible for everyone)

Well I've had my flashes since before university. It sucks but I have shit to do

But that's just me.

I don't think it should be illegal which it isn't but i don't think it should be legalised. I think the conversation can change without that change

What is currently illegal is helping someone else do so safely

I think it should be legalised but under very, very heavy regulations

As opposed to terribly geurilla and painfully

Safe is a strange word to use for death

Its not easy to talk about something you're thinking about doing under the threat of getting sectioned.

But I get it

@InsaneCaterpilla that's true but that's not been my experience

I mean, I’ve had my dad scream at me to help him take his life, he fine now

@Abbysol I'm really sorry but he'd be fine if he was dead, too

It may be a strange word, but "safe", as in, read this and consider the result of the failure states: http://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/firearms. And as far as failure states go, that one is relatively mild.

:s

No, if he was dead he was have missed his sons graduation today

No, dead people don't miss anything.

They lack that ability

I doubt he would agree with you, especially since it doesn’t just take your own life because it also hurts the people who care about you

Dead people can't agree either. I'm sorry, they just can't.

Being dead is an end to such concerns.