Oof, yea, not like you could do it! Noooo, women are all fragile little things who can't do Fuck all >.<

It's confusing how feminists rotate from basically that opinion and insisting that women are strong, independant, and don't need no man

Like ummm... Pick one

@InsaneCaterpilla I suffer with ideation very frequently but i don't think legalising it would make me want to do it any more or less. For me it's more about the current dread and weight of life. Some days I'm ok some days it's just a constant level of hopelessness, dread and regret. I think opting out would still feel as shameful. Although part of me wonders if there were "suicide pods" or whatever maybe there would be enough change in the conversation.

That being said i agree with a right to sue for the terminally ill but i think it shouldn't be extended to mental health

Ideation? I suffer from depression too

Well half the time I have "flashes" that I can't control where I watch myself do it. But other days it's more voluntary to think about.

Dying isn't a bad thing. I think it's a hurdle to overcome. It always happens, when doesn't matter

I'm half playing devils advocate rn

That's fair. I know there are definitely arguments for it but I think that's a Pandoras box is rather not open. I just focus on silly things like survival skills and prepping. It's a good way to remind yourself that you actually do want to live. Plus zombies are a never ending genre

That's what I meant before by saying it makes you more open to talking about death with others. Make it something not taboo and people will feel comfortable doing it.

Did you see the video of the woman at dignitas?

No

I think it should be in place for people who are terminally ill or in constant medical pain, however I think to get approved you need to have lead up sessions is a psychiatrist and they are the ones who get the final say.

She's a hilarious old lady who just ate a bunch of chocolate as she fell asleep

What a great way to go. Eat awesome chocolate and sleep

@Abbysol the problem with assuming that someone wants to die must mean they have a mental disorder, is that it's completely untrue

Life is hard

It's ok to end it

Hmm. That i don't know

That life isn't hard?

Maybe not a mental disorder but definitely a lack of coping strategies

Just because your opinion is that life is good, doesnt make it easier for those others who it generally causes pain

Which shouldn't just make suicide a viable option

I mean it will be someone who can assess that there is hope for the future and you are just having a down, or if pain and suffering will continue so they can help you go down the right avenues to make it as little pain and less stress possible.

There isn't always hope. There isn't always a future. Your argument presupposes that

I didn't say life is good. It's definitely not easy. That doesn't mean you can't cope or find strategies for coping

I know, I am saying that it is someone who can honestly and unbiasedly say if it is really the most humane option or not

If life really isn't easy, then that means it is a foregone conclusion that some people will be unable to cope

My argument assumes life is unknown. You can't know it's going to be good but you can't know it's going to be bad either

And if they deny you assisted suicide they can send you down other avenues to help you find coping mechanisms

I would think how your life has gone is a pretty good indicator of how it is going

Doesn't mean it can't be turned around

Course it can. We can also give a cow wings and have it fly over the moon. What's your point?

People seeking assisted suicide may not have tried the correct areas yet, lives should be saved where they can, but in cases like terminal cancer or dementia or other horrible things like that, I feel people have the right to die with dignity

That’s just my stance on it

That's basically mine too.

Also cows flying to the moon is awesome and I want to stick around to see it

That and game of thrones hasn't finished yet

I get refusing someone suicide if they've been suicidal for all of three weeks. They'll thank you later. The same cannot be said of many suicidal people.

but isn't that only because they'll thank you later?

Ha. Well my point is yes, maybe they can have a better life. But if it doesn't seem like it, forcing them to stay is no better than slavery

Yeah, at what point do you really have the right to decide for someone else that they should suffer through turning their lives around? (assuming that, of course, it is possible for everyone)