Though I think the DSM V makes it hard to distinguish between the two

Yeah my bad days are hopeless. Good days I'm like "what was my problem?"

@James For that reason I think a sane euthanasia law would establish a months-long waiting period

Evaluation for something like this wouldn’t be a one off session, with consistent sessions with the same person

That's an interesting be dynamic

Though naturally I disagree with Abbysol on the evaluator (not opposed to mandatory counseling, but evalutator is different)

I do understand human errors in judgement, say it is like a 12 month cooling period with regular visits to a councillor, they can give recommendations, reduced cooling periods if you have been diagnosed with something that it either terminal or will severely reduce your quality of life.

I think it would be unethical to be one without the other

Well, having an evaluation is different from being an evaluator

One implies a recommendation, the other a mandate

Sorry, bad wording xD

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No I was replying to @asparkofpyrokravte not @Abbysol sorry

I think it would be unwise to be an evaluator without at least some counseling

Ah, that makes sense

I do think it is something that is difficult and will need to be dealt with on a case by case basis

Death being so final and all

Something being final doesn't make it inherently bad. So is winning the lottery. It's all circumstancial.

No it just makes it dangerous, hence the discussion about waiting periods

Also the issue of the mentally handicapped who’s family decide they don’t want to deal with them anymore but they don’t actually want to die.

I have no doubt that there would be sick people who try to abuse it to get rid of someone without any consequences

That should never be the case unless the mentally handicapped person expresses such a wish

plenty of people try to make another's life so uncomfortable they don't want to live anymore, it is hardly restricted to people in a power-dynamic

I would treat that as just another form of bullying

(for the purposes of euthanasia, not for other aspects of law)

Hence the need for some kind of outside evaluation, maybe the solution isn’t death but just getting them somewhere they can feel safe from abuse

as long as the evaluation isn't binding I wouldn't object

That isn't an argument against euthanasia, its an argument on better considering of those with mental health issues

I’m saying it could just help to detect the red flags

Sadly it’s not that uncommon for carers to take the lives of the person they are meant to be caring for into their own hands

Perhaps not, but wouldn't you think that if that person could decide their own fate then the incidence rate would go down

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Just fell asleep a sec

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I’m saying we should have a system where people can die with dignity, but there should be failsafes in place to help protect lives where it isn’t necessary.

Personally I think any system of euthanasia is going to be pretty open to abuse, but I'll leave it at that.

I suppose I'd agree, but I think the consequences of not having it is pretty abusive

The way I see is to break it into kind of tiers of severity, let’s say 3 for now, Green, Orange and Red

Green would be basically accept, you have been diagnosed with something either terminal or degenerative and nothing can be done, this cases people should have the option to be allowed to die with dignity

Orange would be for people who have a reduced quality of life, basically my dad would fall here since he cannot care for himself, would have a cooling period and Carers and family should be involved but the decision goes to the individual

Red would be kind of like a red flag case, a lot of mental disorders and depression would fall here, would have a much longer cooling period and involved doctors and a strong attempt to help people find other solutions, I think here is where you need to be really careful with such a system

But again, would all need to be seriously a case by case basis

I like that

Even though my dad knows that if he tried to commit suicide I would fucking kill him xD