Message from @InsaneCaterpilla
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No I was replying to @asparkofpyrokravte not @Abbysol sorry
I think it would be unwise to be an evaluator without at least some counseling
Ah, that makes sense
I do think it is something that is difficult and will need to be dealt with on a case by case basis
Death being so final and all
Something being final doesn't make it inherently bad. So is winning the lottery. It's all circumstancial.
No it just makes it dangerous, hence the discussion about waiting periods
Also the issue of the mentally handicapped who’s family decide they don’t want to deal with them anymore but they don’t actually want to die.
I have no doubt that there would be sick people who try to abuse it to get rid of someone without any consequences
That should never be the case unless the mentally handicapped person expresses such a wish
plenty of people try to make another's life so uncomfortable they don't want to live anymore, it is hardly restricted to people in a power-dynamic
I would treat that as just another form of bullying
(for the purposes of euthanasia, not for other aspects of law)
Hence the need for some kind of outside evaluation, maybe the solution isn’t death but just getting them somewhere they can feel safe from abuse
as long as the evaluation isn't binding I wouldn't object
That isn't an argument against euthanasia, its an argument on better considering of those with mental health issues
I’m saying it could just help to detect the red flags
Sadly it’s not that uncommon for carers to take the lives of the person they are meant to be caring for into their own hands
Perhaps not, but wouldn't you think that if that person could decide their own fate then the incidence rate would go down
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I’m saying we should have a system where people can die with dignity, but there should be failsafes in place to help protect lives where it isn’t necessary.
Personally I think any system of euthanasia is going to be pretty open to abuse, but I'll leave it at that.
I suppose I'd agree, but I think the consequences of not having it is pretty abusive
The way I see is to break it into kind of tiers of severity, let’s say 3 for now, Green, Orange and Red
Green would be basically accept, you have been diagnosed with something either terminal or degenerative and nothing can be done, this cases people should have the option to be allowed to die with dignity
Orange would be for people who have a reduced quality of life, basically my dad would fall here since he cannot care for himself, would have a cooling period and Carers and family should be involved but the decision goes to the individual
Red would be kind of like a red flag case, a lot of mental disorders and depression would fall here, would have a much longer cooling period and involved doctors and a strong attempt to help people find other solutions, I think here is where you need to be really careful with such a system
But again, would all need to be seriously a case by case basis
I like that
Even though my dad knows that if he tried to commit suicide I would fucking kill him xD
Hmmm
I do think euthanasia is a serious thing that doesn’t have a simple answer, so you need to be very careful when building the system to accomodate for it, especially the failsafes that will stop assholes from abusing it
Every system I've seen so far has been pretty poor. I'm not sure how it would be fixable, really. Maybe look up the Liverpool Care Pathway as a reference.
It’s also why I feel like distinctions or tiers would be necessary, since in the basic bitch example model I made, that red category would probably be at the highest risk for abuse, for the other 2 it is easier since medical doctors can back up for the Terminal or for people who lack the ability to care for themselves
I’m in two minds about it, I believe people should have the right to die with dignity but I do worry about unforeseen ways the system could be open to abuse
Loopholes... loopholes everywhere
This was to your previous comment. My internet is being flaky
My issue is that doctors themselves have an impitus to push people down this route due to lack of resources and time. It's easy to be cynical, and vulnerable people are very common.
And don't forget stupid
My god some people are as thick as mud
That too
Especially if you add 'greedy'.