Well, scratch that

It can sometimes be altruistic

but still

If your actual quality of life if gone, genuinely gone, then fine, let people die with dignity, but not if you are young, healthy, and have the capacity to seek help.

Hrm, are suicidal people inherently unhealthy?

If not, what of cases of young and healthy people who lack a reason to live, who feel meaningless?

Depends, if your life is just shit right now then no, wanting an easy out isn’t that abnormal, however on something like severe clinical depression, it gets a little less clear

It is possible for someone's life to be "just shit right now" for a rather extended period of time

Yes, but there is still that distinction

fair enough

My Aunt committed suicide, all of the shrinks said it was an inevitability because of her severe bipolar

Though I think the DSM V makes it hard to distinguish between the two

Yeah my bad days are hopeless. Good days I'm like "what was my problem?"

@James For that reason I think a sane euthanasia law would establish a months-long waiting period

Evaluation for something like this wouldn’t be a one off session, with consistent sessions with the same person

That's an interesting be dynamic

Though naturally I disagree with Abbysol on the evaluator (not opposed to mandatory counseling, but evalutator is different)

I do understand human errors in judgement, say it is like a 12 month cooling period with regular visits to a councillor, they can give recommendations, reduced cooling periods if you have been diagnosed with something that it either terminal or will severely reduce your quality of life.

I think it would be unethical to be one without the other

Well, having an evaluation is different from being an evaluator

One implies a recommendation, the other a mandate

Sorry, bad wording xD

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No I was replying to @asparkofpyrokravte not @Abbysol sorry

I think it would be unwise to be an evaluator without at least some counseling

Ah, that makes sense

I do think it is something that is difficult and will need to be dealt with on a case by case basis

Death being so final and all

Something being final doesn't make it inherently bad. So is winning the lottery. It's all circumstancial.

No it just makes it dangerous, hence the discussion about waiting periods

Also the issue of the mentally handicapped who’s family decide they don’t want to deal with them anymore but they don’t actually want to die.

I have no doubt that there would be sick people who try to abuse it to get rid of someone without any consequences

That should never be the case unless the mentally handicapped person expresses such a wish

plenty of people try to make another's life so uncomfortable they don't want to live anymore, it is hardly restricted to people in a power-dynamic

I would treat that as just another form of bullying

(for the purposes of euthanasia, not for other aspects of law)

Hence the need for some kind of outside evaluation, maybe the solution isn’t death but just getting them somewhere they can feel safe from abuse

as long as the evaluation isn't binding I wouldn't object

That isn't an argument against euthanasia, its an argument on better considering of those with mental health issues

I’m saying it could just help to detect the red flags

Sadly it’s not that uncommon for carers to take the lives of the person they are meant to be caring for into their own hands