Message from @asparkofpyrokravte
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Dead people can't agree either. I'm sorry, they just can't.
Being dead is an end to such concerns.
Then it is also Inherently selfish
It sure isn't altrustic, but one has to consider how much of a claim the world has on your life
Well, scratch that
It can sometimes be altruistic
but still
If your actual quality of life if gone, genuinely gone, then fine, let people die with dignity, but not if you are young, healthy, and have the capacity to seek help.
Hrm, are suicidal people inherently unhealthy?
If not, what of cases of young and healthy people who lack a reason to live, who feel meaningless?
Depends, if your life is just shit right now then no, wanting an easy out isn’t that abnormal, however on something like severe clinical depression, it gets a little less clear
It is possible for someone's life to be "just shit right now" for a rather extended period of time
Yes, but there is still that distinction
fair enough
My Aunt committed suicide, all of the shrinks said it was an inevitability because of her severe bipolar
Though I think the DSM V makes it hard to distinguish between the two
Yeah my bad days are hopeless. Good days I'm like "what was my problem?"
@James For that reason I think a sane euthanasia law would establish a months-long waiting period
Evaluation for something like this wouldn’t be a one off session, with consistent sessions with the same person
That's an interesting be dynamic
Though naturally I disagree with Abbysol on the evaluator (not opposed to mandatory counseling, but evalutator is different)
I do understand human errors in judgement, say it is like a 12 month cooling period with regular visits to a councillor, they can give recommendations, reduced cooling periods if you have been diagnosed with something that it either terminal or will severely reduce your quality of life.
I think it would be unethical to be one without the other
Well, having an evaluation is different from being an evaluator
One implies a recommendation, the other a mandate
Sorry, bad wording xD
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No I was replying to @asparkofpyrokravte not @Abbysol sorry
I think it would be unwise to be an evaluator without at least some counseling
Ah, that makes sense
I do think it is something that is difficult and will need to be dealt with on a case by case basis
Death being so final and all
Something being final doesn't make it inherently bad. So is winning the lottery. It's all circumstancial.
No it just makes it dangerous, hence the discussion about waiting periods
Also the issue of the mentally handicapped who’s family decide they don’t want to deal with them anymore but they don’t actually want to die.
I have no doubt that there would be sick people who try to abuse it to get rid of someone without any consequences
That should never be the case unless the mentally handicapped person expresses such a wish
plenty of people try to make another's life so uncomfortable they don't want to live anymore, it is hardly restricted to people in a power-dynamic
I would treat that as just another form of bullying
(for the purposes of euthanasia, not for other aspects of law)
Hence the need for some kind of outside evaluation, maybe the solution isn’t death but just getting them somewhere they can feel safe from abuse