Message from @Xinyue

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2018-12-20 20:23:11 UTC  

yeah

2018-12-20 20:23:12 UTC  

That’s the absolute first thing.

2018-12-20 20:23:24 UTC  

And thankfully in the US people are still armed

2018-12-20 20:23:42 UTC  

The task is getting them to use said arms to good use

2018-12-20 20:26:30 UTC  

Maybe it would be good to elliminate big corpo from the market and replace it with a mixture of private business owners and maybe worker communes (hate the name). Such structures could be more socially responsible then what we have now.

2018-12-20 20:31:40 UTC  

@Aki you said "The way I see it we have two theoretical models that do not exist in practice. What we have in practice are markets with varying levels of regulation." this would be a conflation of capitalism with a laissez faire economy, capitalism in no way discusses regulation its the idea of having capital.

2018-12-20 20:32:54 UTC  

I'd agree that laissez faire is not reasonably possible

2018-12-20 20:33:33 UTC  

most notably because regulations on safety and polution

2018-12-20 20:46:58 UTC  

What I meant is the free market model. Outside of that I don't find arguing about definitions to be particularly productive... but I also don't think that using a definition that encompasses everything outside of some autistic commie wet dream to be particularly practical. ;p Putting aside the fact that we disagree about what should be regulated (and that is a given taking the into account some booming facts ;p) I think that the reason why a free market can't exist in practice is the same reason why communism can't exist in practice and that is the so called human nature. We are too tribal to be able to live as individuals alone and too individualistic to be treated like automatons.

2018-12-20 22:10:06 UTC  

> founder of capitalism
> Karl Marx

**I pressed X, and doubted**

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2018-12-20 22:14:51 UTC  

I think they may be referring to how Marx coined the term Capitalism?

2018-12-20 22:15:22 UTC  

even then id say Adam Smith was the founder

2018-12-20 22:16:23 UTC  

Marx coined the term, but he didn't create the system he called capitalism

2018-12-20 22:16:48 UTC  

imagine thinking that Marx created a system just to destroy it

2018-12-20 22:17:46 UTC  

Pretty Chad move right there

2018-12-20 22:19:18 UTC  

God-Marx, who creates economic systems only so that he could urge the masses to destroy them

2018-12-20 22:19:23 UTC  

Hey guys <#508381442942959616>

2018-12-20 22:19:39 UTC  

*ah*

2018-12-20 22:27:39 UTC  

Marx and all the other commie revolutionaries were a bunch of of subversive kikes. fuck em and their shit system.

2018-12-20 22:28:15 UTC  

If you genuinely believe in Marxism or Communism you are fooling yourself

2018-12-20 22:33:42 UTC  

Peak argument I must say. I have entered the halls of the sages.

2018-12-20 22:34:07 UTC  

The system doesn't work

2018-12-20 22:34:11 UTC  

Its that simple

2018-12-20 22:35:36 UTC  

It fails and causes suffering where ever it is implemented

2018-12-20 22:54:51 UTC  

uh, no

2018-12-20 22:54:54 UTC  

it did work

2018-12-20 22:54:59 UTC  

literally did

2018-12-20 22:57:01 UTC  

Barely

2018-12-20 22:57:07 UTC  

The French communes?

2018-12-20 22:57:15 UTC  

Revolutionary Catalonia?

2018-12-20 22:58:05 UTC  

These "states" barely sustained themselves and only existed because nobody bother to enforce the law there.

2018-12-20 22:58:49 UTC  

And we're swept like flies as soon as their former non communist governments decided to take the land back.

2018-12-20 22:58:57 UTC  

I don't see how they're appealing

2018-12-20 23:15:58 UTC  

no I mean the USSR did work, it didn't crumble or anything

2018-12-20 23:16:08 UTC  

during 1950s, 1960s or 1970s

2018-12-20 23:16:10 UTC  

it did function

2018-12-20 23:16:45 UTC  

as the system was ultimately reworked to oblivion, it eventually began to dysfunction, because the way it had been reformed to operate no longer matched the model that it had been set up with

2018-12-20 23:17:02 UTC  

Brezhnev and the Kosygin gang started this trend, and Gorbachev completed it

2018-12-21 01:28:19 UTC  

The ussr killed too many people

2018-12-21 01:56:25 UTC  

It failed

2018-12-21 01:56:44 UTC  

It couldnt afford to maintain itself