its like thinking the main reason people dont murder is because they dont want to be arrested

"What if the only option to worship God is to kill your neighboring village, would you do it?"

the jews did

it's fair to ask me the same thing, though

would you?

No

i mean, they saw it as the only way to survive

@PunishedMuskovy
```The action itself is wrong because it hurts someone else when it doesn't need to
and
let's scroll up
to what I said
"among other things"
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If God told me to do X id do X

The problem and the reason why I don't invoke the empathy argument

is because it's never

"good enough"

so they massacred the men, children & women of a competing tribe, you wouldn't do that? or in other words, was what they did morally right?

TBH yes hypotheticals are a bad option

Anyways

Unless the hypothetical is smart

Let's get back on track

Yes, it's bad because it causes unnecessary harm

it's bad because it has consequences for your group

and for other reasons

isn't the very first principle that what is good is what helps you survive?

That is the root of morality, empathy exists to encourage you

1. To work with others.
2. To not hurt others, so that they will want to work you

or to help others

so they will return the favor

So yes, empathy is justified since it was given to us through evolution

for those reasons

Civilizations that are inherently selfish do not last

and individualistic*

Indeed, just look at Mongols

expanded so fast that once Genghis died it immediately fractured

hell, even arguing just being selfish towards their own in group

is bad

ok let me just ask one question

I answered his question and then he left

good

Why is subjective morality good?

or is it bad, just a painful truth

it's not that it's either good or bad

it's that it's reality

We can argue through our subjective lenses that our subjective sense of morality is the best one

Which has been what I have been saying this whole time