Let's get back on track

Yes, it's bad because it causes unnecessary harm

it's bad because it has consequences for your group

and for other reasons

isn't the very first principle that what is good is what helps you survive?

That is the root of morality, empathy exists to encourage you

1. To work with others.
2. To not hurt others, so that they will want to work you

or to help others

so they will return the favor

So yes, empathy is justified since it was given to us through evolution

for those reasons

Civilizations that are inherently selfish do not last

and individualistic*

Indeed, just look at Mongols

expanded so fast that once Genghis died it immediately fractured

hell, even arguing just being selfish towards their own in group

is bad

ok let me just ask one question

I answered his question and then he left

good

Why is subjective morality good?

or is it bad, just a painful truth

it's not that it's either good or bad

it's that it's reality

We can argue through our subjective lenses that our subjective sense of morality is the best one

Which has been what I have been saying this whole time

subjective is not relevant

no one is arguing the existence of subjective morals

I never said you can never have any basis to criticize others

I am arguing that they exist

@The Big Oof Would you say the Christian view on Subjective vs Objective is justified

Explain it for me

There is an objective right and wrong. God tells us not do to certain things, and such things are bad.

Well I don't believe in God

so I would disagree

Would you say that a creator of the universe has the authority to decide what is truly right and wrong

If the creator exists?

yes

I'm actually not sure

is this creator all knowing

yes

Then yes