Message from @The Big Oof

Discord ID: 536681252284268554


2019-01-20 22:57:09 UTC  

But that implies the moral consquences are viewed as minimal

2019-01-20 22:57:13 UTC  

a more accurate phrase for moral subjectivity is moral hypocrisy; you are unable of following through with what you claim to be moral, nevermind in real life, you can't do it in words

2019-01-20 22:57:40 UTC  

its like thinking the main reason people dont murder is because they dont want to be arrested

2019-01-20 22:58:02 UTC  

"What if the only option to worship God is to kill your neighboring village, would you do it?"

2019-01-20 22:58:10 UTC  

the jews did

2019-01-20 22:58:11 UTC  

it's fair to ask me the same thing, though

2019-01-20 22:58:12 UTC  

would you?

2019-01-20 22:58:16 UTC  

No

2019-01-20 22:58:32 UTC  

i mean, they saw it as the only way to survive

2019-01-20 22:58:38 UTC  

@PunishedMuskovy
```The action itself is wrong because it hurts someone else when it doesn't need to
and
let's scroll up
to what I said
"among other things"
```

2019-01-20 22:58:42 UTC  

If God told me to do X id do X

2019-01-20 22:58:48 UTC  

The problem and the reason why I don't invoke the empathy argument

2019-01-20 22:58:51 UTC  

is because it's never

2019-01-20 22:58:53 UTC  

"good enough"

2019-01-20 22:58:56 UTC  

so they massacred the men, children & women of a competing tribe, you wouldn't do that? or in other words, was what they did morally right?

2019-01-20 22:59:06 UTC  

TBH yes hypotheticals are a bad option

2019-01-20 22:59:17 UTC  

Anyways

2019-01-20 22:59:20 UTC  

Unless the hypothetical is smart

2019-01-20 22:59:21 UTC  

Let's get back on track

2019-01-20 22:59:33 UTC  

Yes, it's bad because it causes unnecessary harm

2019-01-20 22:59:41 UTC  

it's bad because it has consequences for your group

2019-01-20 22:59:46 UTC  

and for other reasons

2019-01-20 22:59:59 UTC  

isn't the very first principle that what is good is what helps you survive?

2019-01-20 23:00:46 UTC  

That is the root of morality, empathy exists to encourage you

1. To work with others.
2. To not hurt others, so that they will want to work you

2019-01-20 23:00:56 UTC  

or to help others

2019-01-20 23:01:01 UTC  

so they will return the favor

2019-01-20 23:01:11 UTC  

So yes, empathy is justified since it was given to us through evolution

2019-01-20 23:01:13 UTC  

for those reasons

2019-01-20 23:01:35 UTC  

Civilizations that are inherently selfish do not last

2019-01-20 23:01:51 UTC  

and individualistic*

2019-01-20 23:01:57 UTC  

Indeed, just look at Mongols

2019-01-20 23:02:08 UTC  

expanded so fast that once Genghis died it immediately fractured

2019-01-20 23:02:09 UTC  

hell, even arguing just being selfish towards their own in group

2019-01-20 23:02:10 UTC  

is bad

2019-01-20 23:02:42 UTC  

ok let me just ask one question

2019-01-20 23:02:44 UTC  

I answered his question and then he left

2019-01-20 23:02:45 UTC  

good

2019-01-20 23:02:56 UTC  

Why is subjective morality good?

2019-01-20 23:03:01 UTC  

or is it bad, just a painful truth

2019-01-20 23:03:10 UTC  

it's not that it's either good or bad

2019-01-20 23:03:15 UTC  

it's that it's reality