Message from @CronoSaturn
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@snakeeater funny thing is after you set up the engine people in the field don't talk about "programming" an AI or machine learning engine, they talk about training it and the internal function of these kinds of programs is not like a script in that its fairly easy to unpack and go line by line and see what its doing and how its accomplishing their function. Neural nets as their name implies function remarkably similar to the human brain in doing things in terms of relations. @Just a weirdo makes a pertinent observation when it comes to how most people understand maths but AI leans heavily on some interesting ideas coming from maths which try to formally examine how to solve equations where the values can be tested but aren't initially known
@CronoSaturn _"Your quoting the spiel i wrote about predisposing people to hatred and disdain to those not sharing their lifestyle so thats likely why you feel it has little to do with the question you asked about influencing people to work harder for less money."_
Ohhh... I see there was a misunderstanding here. I was trying to describe the situation when they show hatered and distain for other workers in the office that do not share their dedication... as a way of creating a peer pressure that enforces the genetic predispositions... and you thought that the hatered and disdain was suposed to be aimed at the non-workers.
Regardless... I think this strain of the conversation is at its end. You don't seem to find anything wrong with the proceder itself (you only have qualms about how it is supposed to be implemented) and I do. In other words we differ on a moral level... and I can't really persuade you in this case.
_"not to get into the weeds but we describe bricks in a similar way but i think a house illustrates the point better. You can build a house out of concrete, out of glass, out of bricks, out of plastic, out of combinations of all the above and other shit as well. A house doesnt have to have a set layout or only have a certain amount of rooms to be a house and it shares many features with an office, even has significant overlap and dual use but there are a set of activities and patterns that would still show that a building is an office, a house or both....."_
_"So when I say 'patterns of 'behavior' this is what I mean. theres a clear back and forth between us that you wouldnt have with say, a human who is comatose... "_
In other words you view things threw their usage. That however only matters in a social context and is irrelevant when we try to ascertain a nature of things. You only describe a usage but not the object itself.
_"again thats untrue aki. the software is a pattern that be it encoded using magnetic material on a tape, grooves on a record, pits in silica or diode states amounts to the same interactions occurring."_
That is very true. Magnetic material on a tape surely exists, groves on record exist and so do pits in silica... but those things do not constitute a softwere. Softwere is a concept that allows humans to understand what is happening with material objects but it in itself doesn't consitute an object. It is an abstract my dear crono. It can not be separated from the material object it resides on.
_" How your seeing the genome of the human species is functionally no different here as your not defining it as exactly the same sequence of chemicals in isolation. You dont recognize or give a shit about a skin cell in and of itself despite sharing your genes and you dont care and even prefer that your gf doesnt have the same exact sequence as you. "_
Hmmm.. ok I will give you that my definitions describes more of a procedure to obtain human then the human itself. Regardless at the end we still obtain a human as an object. It is not an equivalent to what you are trying to do here~
_"If in this case we are to dismiss software, music, patterns etc as not being real how can you say that humans are any more real given this?"_
Well good question... how can you? I define humans as an object with certain properties. How about you?
_"the "algorithm" in this case."_
The algorithm can not be separated from the objects it resides on. It can only be copied. However a copy is just another structure of atoms that is arranged in the equivalent way.
_"im not sold that you cant. way i see it we do anyway as braincells are replaced, lost, developed and we maintain a coherent whole. We already see the brains of those whove lost a limb and then who are given a prosthetic, especially if theres an electronic element to the functioning of that prosthetic to the peripheral nervous system in that neurons begin to as I've heard put, "fire and wire together" with the circuitry. thats not an immediate process but as you get those wetware links and the conscious mind starts to fully incorporate the extended system i dont see how the circuitry would be substantially different from how we feel about our neurons now. In such an extended system I think that the death of the biological brain would kinda be seen as partial brainloss however with the upside that its now not a permanent loss to your capability. How could you tell you've managed it? the same way that we can tell that people have accepted their prosthetics. they use it first like its something foreign, then a tool, an extension, and finally just as an ordinary part of them. "_
What if the brain was a connection between two different neural networks it was interacting with. Would you then say that the person has multipled or that two different people were created?
Really intresting 6 min of Jordan Peterson talking about Hitler and Nazi Germany
J u d e n P e t e r s t e i n
People still care about Jordan Peterson? Huh
Ethan Klein said some based stuff regarding Dresden
Got his numbers wrong, but still
Le based anti-zionist jew
@V-NAF_Aardist Dresden? What about one justified bombing out of many? (in the Machiavellian sense anyway)
@V-NAF_Aardist Link
Dresden deserved to be hit harder
@Honey Beanger so it deserved to not get bombed 🤣 ya, let the soviets do take the city
That will go over *real* well
What's harder then creating cesspools of melted human in the meagre bunkers the citizens barely could scurry into as their world became a furnace-like hellscape that was so powerful that high winds fueling the whole show were reported from as far as 20 miles away?
“The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into practice. They sowed the wind, ***now they will reap the whirlwind***”
-Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris
^ autism
>posts arthur harris quote
only autistic retards unironically support the bombing of dresden
the bombing of dresden wasnt really that bad
beyond any other bombings
there's a lot of myths surrounding it
i just instantly think someone is a retard when they gloat about what happened in Dresden
there's a lot of neo-nazi propaganda
dresden wasn't especially different to any other bombings
well all i can say is that no nationalist would ever quote bomber harris in a positive light
Quality rebuttal. And yet Dresden was a high value military target, the impact was highly inflated and german civilians were undoubtably complicit in allowing and approving the bombing of civilians in higher numbers. War is horrific and the Germans revelled in that fact when it came to their prosecution of the war on others. That this came home to roost should be of no surprise and simple justice.
the whole war was started when the largest imperial power sperged out at Germany retaking past german territory
dresden was a major railway line for transporting war resources to the front
plus transporting jews & others to work and death camps
So you mean other nations objected to Germany’s expansion into their allies territory? So you mean germany started the war?
the largest estimated number of deaths in dresden was 25,000. while 25,000 lives is not to be scoffed at, its not a huge number when we compare it to other cities
that territory belonged to Germany. and Britain, who conquered half of the world already declared on a nation that wanted a retarded treaty like Versailles to be reversed.
revisionists would have you believe the death toll was 300,000 which is just plain ridiculous... thats more than both atomic bombs combined
right but that conquering wasnt really just..