Message from @Xinyue
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Not that was what a leftist is
that's utterly ridiculous though
But that's what they think
also apparently believing first generation immigrants cant fully integrate with society makes me right wing
I would define Leftist as socialist and anything beyond that
I mean I think its very hard to argue that Bernie Sanders is like a genuine leftist either
and yes
I agree
Bernie Sanders is a welfare capitalist
bernie sanders is a socialist
leftism is synonymous with socialism and its various schools of thought, whether that be communism, mutualism, anarchism, syndicalism, etc.
Nah, he isn't a socialist
he isn't
no
he is a social democrat
he thinks socialism = FDR and Europe
basically the same thing
now, social democrats *used* to be leftists
but they aren't anymore
haven't been for half a century
but that was since then dropped
what people tend to call socialist countries are normally social democratic
for example, I'd consider the Strasserists to be absolutely leftists, despite being national socialists, and this is due to the economic views of Otto Strasser
Hitlerists on the other hand were not leftists, but rightists, and this is due to the economic views of Hitler
it all comes down to the productive relations - is the basis of property social, or private?
i don't like being forced to share what i've worked for
if people need, and i care
i'll give
but i'm not giving to people i don't care nor want to give to
that's not it actually
Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. This is how property ought to be.
the idea is that people *produce* things jointly, and share in the jointly created prosperity
its not that we take from you what you've done for yourself
that's not the purpose of socialism at all
socialism is when gooberment hurt wallet
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lmao
we do have a boomer ancap mod here
but he seems to be offline
> boomer ancap
oh god its like the worst of all worlds