....

i also hate trudeau with a passion

but they are like

anti-leftist

lmao

That's not what I meant

I meant that's how people define Leftist

Not that was what a leftist is

that's utterly ridiculous though

But that's what they think

also apparently believing first generation immigrants cant fully integrate with society makes me right wing

I would define Leftist as socialist and anything beyond that

I mean I think its very hard to argue that Bernie Sanders is like a genuine leftist either

and yes

I agree

Bernie Sanders is a welfare capitalist

bernie sanders is a socialist

leftism is synonymous with socialism and its various schools of thought, whether that be communism, mutualism, anarchism, syndicalism, etc.

Nah, he isn't a socialist

he isn't

no

he is a social democrat

he thinks socialism = FDR and Europe

basically the same thing

now, social democrats *used* to be leftists

but they aren't anymore

haven't been for half a century

they used to want social ownership of means of production

but that was since then dropped

what people tend to call socialist countries are normally social democratic

for example, I'd consider the Strasserists to be absolutely leftists, despite being national socialists, and this is due to the economic views of Otto Strasser

Hitlerists on the other hand were not leftists, but rightists, and this is due to the economic views of Hitler

it all comes down to the productive relations - is the basis of property social, or private?

i don't like being forced to share what i've worked for

if people need, and i care

i'll give

but i'm not giving to people i don't care nor want to give to

that's not it actually

Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. This is how property ought to be.

the idea is that people *produce* things jointly, and share in the jointly created prosperity

its not that we take from you what you've done for yourself