@Xinyue do you think more the money/resources people have the better?

The entire theory of labor is that it equivalently translates into value

Which it doesn't

@AdorableStormtrooper I don't think it can be reduced like that. I think that the more resources people have (money I wouldn't even factor into this question, lets assume access to material resources as well as means of production), the better *chances* the people have to prosper. But there are other things that go into having good society such as virtue ethics, and Marxists have their own sense of virtue ethics - the proletarian virtue ethic which derives its value from creative, productive, socially useful labour at its most basic

> Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist

if you have formed your view on communism/marxism based on the Manifesto alone, I'm afraid you have a lot more reading to do.

1) Capital (Marx, Engels)
2) Civil War in France (Marx, Engels)
3) Critique of the Gotha Programme (Marx)
4) Grundrisse (Marx)
5) Contribution to Critique of Political Economy (Marx)
6) German Ideology (Marx, Engels)
7) Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (Marx)
8) Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (Engels)
9) Anti-Dühring (Engels)
10) Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man (Engels)

here are just ten essential works of Marxism that go *well beyond* just the confines of "le gommunist manibesto" and are, arguably, more important - these by themselves are thousands of pages in total page count. And these aren't even the total sum of Engels' and Marx's works. Then beyond these await hundreds of works of Marxian philosophers since Marx and Engels.

Yes. Some liberties should be sacrificed if it's for the sake of the safety and security of the nation.

Also, hi

Capital be 3000 pages tho... @Xinyue

Grundrisse is similar length I think too

I did read critique of the gotha program and the manifesto but das kapital was too much

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I think that *Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism* (1960) from the Khrushchev era USSR condenses a lot of the theory quite nicely in just 750 pages!

so that's one option

its probably the best summary imo

but obviously quite a bit is lost in the condensation

Yeah i might check that out, i'm currently reading through imperialism:the highest stage of capitalism

ah yes, some Lenin there

Thanks for the recommendation and the list of book titles you posted

yeah no probs, doing AgitProp is no chore for me 😁

what does *prosper* mean?

@Xinyue

Btw, was just wondering why you have krushchev as your profile pic ?I've seen a lot of marxist-leninists blaming him for straying away from true Marxist leninism by introducing markets reform

@Punished Elías youre everywhere

i like how people say lenin said Fascism is capitalism in decay when the real quote was imperialism

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by people i mean reddit

he says markets are part of Socialism in his understanding

i wonder if commies are aware of Mussolini's Supercapitalism theory

fok iz dat

Pizza man begone @PunishedMuskovy

the late stage of capitalism

"Supercapitalism was a concept that developed in Italian Fascism.[1] Italy's Fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, claimed that at the stage of supercapitalism, "a capitalist enterprise, when difficulties arise, throws itself like a dead weight into the state's arms. It is then that state intervention begins and becomes more necessary. It is then that those who once ignored the state now seek it out anxiously."[2]"

At this stage, supercapitalism finds its inspiration and its justification in a utopia: the utopia of unlimited consumption. Supercapitalism's ideal is the standardization of the human race from the cradle to the grave. Supercapitalism wants all babies to be born exactly the same length so that the cradles can be standardized and all children persuaded to like the same toys. It wants all men to don the very same uniform, to read the same book, to have the same tastes in films, and to desire the same so-called labor-saving devices. This is not the result of caprice. It inheres in the logic of events, for only thus can supercapitalism make its plans.[6]

@Khat Emperor Yeah those are lies manufactured by Mao, who was the arch-revisionist himself. In actual fact, Khrushchev did not introduce a single market reform. Social property was enforced and the way the planned economy functioned was merely re-structured - away from the central state and to the local economic soviets, or *Sovnarkhozy,* which would have considerable autonomy in how to go about executing the plan. If anything, Khrushchev era USSR came much closer towards the actual decentralised federal communism than the other periods of USSR history or, indeed, many other socialist experiments.

Stalinists and Maoists just resent him because he spoke mean words of Stalin who for them is some kind of glorified daddy figure

crony capitalism

Supercapitalism wants all babies to be born exactly the same length so that the cradles can be standardized and all children persuaded to like the same toys. It wants all men to don the very same uniform, to read the same book, to have the same tastes in films, and to desire the same so-called labor-saving devices.

If there's one Socialist Dictator I'd love to kill, it'd be Mao