Message from @Punished Elías
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oh shit
december exam
should be illegal tbh
we always have it in December
should have in late november imo 😁
last exam, 24 December 👍
....dude woot 😄
Both commies and ancaps reduce all human interaction to market forces
....we literally don't
Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist
@Xinyue do you think more the money/resources people have the better?
The entire theory of labor is that it equivalently translates into value
Which it doesn't
@AdorableStormtrooper I don't think it can be reduced like that. I think that the more resources people have (money I wouldn't even factor into this question, lets assume access to material resources as well as means of production), the better *chances* the people have to prosper. But there are other things that go into having good society such as virtue ethics, and Marxists have their own sense of virtue ethics - the proletarian virtue ethic which derives its value from creative, productive, socially useful labour at its most basic
> Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist
if you have formed your view on communism/marxism based on the Manifesto alone, I'm afraid you have a lot more reading to do.
1) Capital (Marx, Engels)
2) Civil War in France (Marx, Engels)
3) Critique of the Gotha Programme (Marx)
4) Grundrisse (Marx)
5) Contribution to Critique of Political Economy (Marx)
6) German Ideology (Marx, Engels)
7) Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (Marx)
8) Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (Engels)
9) Anti-Dühring (Engels)
10) Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man (Engels)
here are just ten essential works of Marxism that go *well beyond* just the confines of "le gommunist manibesto" and are, arguably, more important - these by themselves are thousands of pages in total page count. And these aren't even the total sum of Engels' and Marx's works. Then beyond these await hundreds of works of Marxian philosophers since Marx and Engels.
Yes. Some liberties should be sacrificed if it's for the sake of the safety and security of the nation.
Capital be 3000 pages tho... @Xinyue
Grundrisse is similar length I think too
I did read critique of the gotha program and the manifesto but das kapital was too much
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I think that *Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism* (1960) from the Khrushchev era USSR condenses a lot of the theory quite nicely in just 750 pages!
so that's one option
its probably the best summary imo
but obviously quite a bit is lost in the condensation
Yeah i might check that out, i'm currently reading through imperialism:the highest stage of capitalism
ah yes, some Lenin there
Thanks for the recommendation and the list of book titles you posted
yeah no probs, doing AgitProp is no chore for me 😁
what does *prosper* mean?
Btw, was just wondering why you have krushchev as your profile pic ?I've seen a lot of marxist-leninists blaming him for straying away from true Marxist leninism by introducing markets reform
@Punished Elías youre everywhere
i like how people say lenin said Fascism is capitalism in decay when the real quote was imperialism
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by people i mean reddit
he says markets are part of Socialism in his understanding