Message from @Punished Elías

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2018-12-11 15:15:29 UTC  

got an exam tomorrow 😩😩😩

2018-12-11 15:15:32 UTC  

oh shit

2018-12-11 15:15:38 UTC  

december exam

2018-12-11 15:15:42 UTC  

should be illegal tbh

2018-12-11 15:15:47 UTC  

we always have it in December

2018-12-11 15:16:00 UTC  

should have in late november imo 😁

2018-12-11 15:16:10 UTC  

last exam, 24 December 👍

2018-12-11 15:16:16 UTC  

....dude woot 😄

2018-12-11 15:16:37 UTC  

Both commies and ancaps reduce all human interaction to market forces

2018-12-11 15:16:47 UTC  

....we literally don't

2018-12-11 15:18:22 UTC  

Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist

2018-12-11 15:18:38 UTC  

@Xinyue do you think more the money/resources people have the better?

2018-12-11 15:20:36 UTC  

The entire theory of labor is that it equivalently translates into value

2018-12-11 15:21:01 UTC  

Which it doesn't

2018-12-11 15:58:42 UTC  

@AdorableStormtrooper I don't think it can be reduced like that. I think that the more resources people have (money I wouldn't even factor into this question, lets assume access to material resources as well as means of production), the better *chances* the people have to prosper. But there are other things that go into having good society such as virtue ethics, and Marxists have their own sense of virtue ethics - the proletarian virtue ethic which derives its value from creative, productive, socially useful labour at its most basic

2018-12-11 16:03:27 UTC  

> Entire manifesto was about how to one up the capitalist

if you have formed your view on communism/marxism based on the Manifesto alone, I'm afraid you have a lot more reading to do.

1) Capital (Marx, Engels)
2) Civil War in France (Marx, Engels)
3) Critique of the Gotha Programme (Marx)
4) Grundrisse (Marx)
5) Contribution to Critique of Political Economy (Marx)
6) German Ideology (Marx, Engels)
7) Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (Marx)
8) Socialism: Utopian and Scientific (Engels)
9) Anti-Dühring (Engels)
10) Labour in the Transition from Ape to Man (Engels)

here are just ten essential works of Marxism that go *well beyond* just the confines of "le gommunist manibesto" and are, arguably, more important - these by themselves are thousands of pages in total page count. And these aren't even the total sum of Engels' and Marx's works. Then beyond these await hundreds of works of Marxian philosophers since Marx and Engels.

2018-12-11 16:24:58 UTC  

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2018-12-11 16:41:03 UTC  

Yes. Some liberties should be sacrificed if it's for the sake of the safety and security of the nation.

2018-12-11 16:41:04 UTC  

Also, hi

2018-12-11 16:41:16 UTC  

Capital be 3000 pages tho... @Xinyue

2018-12-11 16:41:32 UTC  

Grundrisse is similar length I think too

2018-12-11 16:41:34 UTC  

I did read critique of the gotha program and the manifesto but das kapital was too much

2018-12-11 16:41:39 UTC  

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2018-12-11 16:42:08 UTC  

I think that *Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism* (1960) from the Khrushchev era USSR condenses a lot of the theory quite nicely in just 750 pages!

2018-12-11 16:42:11 UTC  

so that's one option

2018-12-11 16:42:24 UTC  

its probably the best summary imo

2018-12-11 16:42:49 UTC  

but obviously quite a bit is lost in the condensation

2018-12-11 16:43:50 UTC  

Yeah i might check that out, i'm currently reading through imperialism:the highest stage of capitalism

2018-12-11 16:44:40 UTC  

ah yes, some Lenin there

2018-12-11 16:45:38 UTC  

Thanks for the recommendation and the list of book titles you posted

2018-12-11 16:46:07 UTC  

yeah no probs, doing AgitProp is no chore for me 😁

2018-12-11 16:51:21 UTC  

what does *prosper* mean?

2018-12-11 16:51:24 UTC  
2018-12-11 16:52:13 UTC  

Btw, was just wondering why you have krushchev as your profile pic ?I've seen a lot of marxist-leninists blaming him for straying away from true Marxist leninism by introducing markets reform

2018-12-11 16:52:51 UTC  

@Punished Elías youre everywhere

2018-12-11 16:56:18 UTC  

i like how people say lenin said Fascism is capitalism in decay when the real quote was imperialism

2018-12-11 16:56:23 UTC  

Hello newcomers, @RealBullWhip @Deleted User @The_Don_73 @Punished Elías . Be sure to check <#507040801860091914> and <#521916756852342784> , as suggested by the Emperor

2018-12-11 16:56:27 UTC  

by people i mean reddit