@Bird Wizard if it was a tribe they mostly likely had a concept of state fam

Natives are probably not even human. Like Germans.

@a2 big oof

@Filthy Frank northern europe in the 1400s

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@aymem yes, tribal

@aymem what?

not state like we think of it, but it was probably an organised community

@The Big Oof wanna partner?

It was organized

That moment you realize the democrats are the imperialists

that's not a state, just fucking council of elders, institutions and infrastructures were lacking

Tribal structures are just that

there was no planned economy and all that

and if u want to boil all statecraft to that then sure, I guess u can boil it all down to that but then call it what it is, primitive form

@Bird Wizard most of northern europe was like that

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Europe had lords and was feudal

In the 400s

And before

Europe had a concept of economy ad currency also

trade

contact with other parts of the world via land and sea travel

Land + people = country

@Bird Wizard I said it was probably an organised society and they did have institutions, a council of elders is an institution, and infrastructure is dependent on the society they live in, the infrastructure the community created would've been shelter and whatever else

City states =/= tribal

They had that @Nikitis

which what northern europe was

northern europe had city states?

I've noticed alot of fighting over terms here

i genuinely don't know

seems silly

Northern europe for most of it's life has been a backwater tbh @Bird Wizard

A country isn't a land and a people, it's a political body

The land of the Normans

@Gas the Zoomers we all have to reach a consensus on the terms we use in order to have a correct dialectic

and yet now Northern Europe has advanced beyonf everyone in virtually no time at all

The land of the Franks

@Gas the Zoomers ye

sure maybe they did, but its mostly due to inheriting everything from romans

northern europe is still pretty much seen as the backwaters here in europe, and following an EXTREMELY unsustainable system that is social democracy will break them extremely rapidly @Gas the Zoomers