hands

arms

gruesome

@Bird Wizard literally northern europe in the 400s

@Bird Wizard if it was a tribe they mostly likely had a concept of state fam

Natives are probably not even human. Like Germans.

@a2 big oof

@Filthy Frank northern europe in the 1400s

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@aymem yes, tribal

@aymem what?

not state like we think of it, but it was probably an organised community

@The Big Oof wanna partner?

It was organized

That moment you realize the democrats are the imperialists

that's not a state, just fucking council of elders, institutions and infrastructures were lacking

Tribal structures are just that

there was no planned economy and all that

and if u want to boil all statecraft to that then sure, I guess u can boil it all down to that but then call it what it is, primitive form

@Bird Wizard most of northern europe was like that

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Europe had lords and was feudal

In the 400s

And before

Europe had a concept of economy ad currency also

trade

contact with other parts of the world via land and sea travel

Land + people = country

@Bird Wizard I said it was probably an organised society and they did have institutions, a council of elders is an institution, and infrastructure is dependent on the society they live in, the infrastructure the community created would've been shelter and whatever else

City states =/= tribal

They had that @Nikitis

which what northern europe was

northern europe had city states?

I've noticed alot of fighting over terms here

i genuinely don't know

seems silly

Northern europe for most of it's life has been a backwater tbh @Bird Wizard

A country isn't a land and a people, it's a political body

The land of the Normans

@Gas the Zoomers we all have to reach a consensus on the terms we use in order to have a correct dialectic

and yet now Northern Europe has advanced beyonf everyone in virtually no time at all