isn't the wild west the reason libertarianism is so romanticised in america?

Sorry

The White settlers had some pretty negative views of Natives

It would be like saying that the 3/5ths compromise meant the Founding Fathers were pro-slavery.

@Gas the Zoomers for a reason

I guess you could say that was just the friction that occured and it wasn't racial persay

There is myriad textual evidence in the Federalist Papers and Articles of Confederation to the contrary.

the natives were savages tho

Very little Yes and mostly no

Look at my pfp

had no concept of state, murdered each other. tribal warfare all over the place, it was chaos and no place to set up a settlement out of fear for your own life

The craziest thing I've heard about Natives is how they tortured. They would tie you down and cut off finger by finger, using heat to instantly cauterize the wounds

and would work there way up slowly

hands

arms

gruesome

@Bird Wizard literally northern europe in the 400s

@Bird Wizard if it was a tribe they mostly likely had a concept of state fam

Natives are probably not even human. Like Germans.

@a2 big oof

@Filthy Frank northern europe in the 1400s

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@aymem yes, tribal

@aymem what?

not state like we think of it, but it was probably an organised community

@The Big Oof wanna partner?

It was organized

That moment you realize the democrats are the imperialists

that's not a state, just fucking council of elders, institutions and infrastructures were lacking

Tribal structures are just that

there was no planned economy and all that

and if u want to boil all statecraft to that then sure, I guess u can boil it all down to that but then call it what it is, primitive form

@Bird Wizard most of northern europe was like that

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Europe had lords and was feudal

In the 400s

And before

Europe had a concept of economy ad currency also

trade

contact with other parts of the world via land and sea travel

Land + people = country