Message from @Rex Carthaginis

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2018-12-13 16:07:24 UTC  

Id also argue life imprisonment is illegal as torture, execution would be ordered in that case

2018-12-13 16:07:45 UTC  

As well as solitary confinement beyond immediate guarantee of safety to others

2018-12-13 16:08:29 UTC  

I'm not sure how effective torture is at actually getting people to reveal information, but let's assume it is effective. Our terrorist here most likely had some friends who supplied him with his guns/bombs and were working together. We only caught him. We want names.

2018-12-13 16:10:00 UTC  

If he is given a trial in accordance with the law and found guilty of bombing a shopping center, killing 20 people, and we want the names of his accomplices, I think torture should be considered

2018-12-13 16:10:35 UTC  

Torture hasn't been shown to be very effective from my understanding

2018-12-13 16:10:45 UTC  

They'll often end up with false confessions

2018-12-13 16:10:45 UTC  

Right, that's what I was wondering

2018-12-13 16:10:51 UTC  

From exhaustion

2018-12-13 16:10:59 UTC  

Telling you what you want to hear

2018-12-13 16:11:07 UTC  

Because they want it to stop

2018-12-13 16:11:18 UTC  

Regardless of whether it's true

2018-12-13 16:11:34 UTC  

Sure. I haven't done enough research, I mean there are expert interrogation people out there who know the ropes

2018-12-13 16:11:55 UTC  

They'd know how often they get confessions and how often they're true

2018-12-13 16:12:12 UTC  

I think it probably depends on the method

2018-12-13 16:12:40 UTC  

"You tell us or we'll make you watch the Death Note Live Action movie"

2018-12-13 16:12:41 UTC  

Physical torture I don't think is very effective from what I remember reading

2018-12-13 16:13:10 UTC  

But I haven't done extensive research on it

2018-12-13 16:13:22 UTC  

"After that, it's a marathon of Steven Universe"

2018-12-13 16:14:24 UTC  

There was a case of a terrorist making up a story about an entire compund where they were training recruits to get the interrogators to stop the torture

2018-12-13 16:14:59 UTC  

Another tricky part is that logically if I was being tortured, I would think that as soon as they verify that I told then the truth, they'd have no need for me anymore and would kill me

2018-12-13 16:15:59 UTC  

Basically what happens is you get so exhausted you'll say anything to get out

2018-12-13 16:16:05 UTC  

You can't think straight

2018-12-13 16:17:14 UTC  

There are techniques to interrogstion that have been shown to be effective

2018-12-13 16:17:33 UTC  

But straight torture isn't one

2018-12-13 16:17:34 UTC  

I suppose if you lie, they would have to investigate to find out whether you lied or not, so inevitably they'd take a break

2018-12-13 16:17:56 UTC  

Which reinforces that lying works

2018-12-13 16:18:03 UTC  

A common one if you arrest two is to lie and say the other one squealed

2018-12-13 16:18:41 UTC  

Making sure they don't actually have any communication in the meantime of course

2018-12-13 16:18:44 UTC  

If you have 2+ people you can always say whoever talks will be spared

2018-12-13 16:18:55 UTC  

And they'll worry that the others talked

2018-12-13 16:19:13 UTC  

If they think the other talked

2018-12-13 16:19:23 UTC  

They'll think they've nothing to lose

2018-12-13 16:19:37 UTC  

They want to be spared though

2018-12-13 16:20:10 UTC  

If they refuse to talk and their buddy does, their buddy is spared while they get shafted

2018-12-13 16:20:37 UTC  

This depends on circumstance, if they think talking might get them killed fir example

2018-12-13 16:20:52 UTC  

Yeah there's a lot of factors

2018-12-13 16:20:54 UTC  

They might still refuse to talk

2018-12-13 16:21:11 UTC  

Mind reading would make this easier

2018-12-13 16:22:05 UTC  

This Notso guy has a strange morality, I'd like to know where it comes from, what's the justificative for it.

2018-12-13 16:23:52 UTC  

I've heard of polygraphs being used not because they work but because the prisoner might think they do

2018-12-13 16:24:31 UTC  

I agree with most of his ideas. There should be right to a trial if you're actually of a crime, presumption of innocence, it would be very difficult to ban a religion even in private so that's probably foolish, a warrant should be obtained in order to search private property, etc.