we talk about the gold blockade

are you familiar with the gold blockade? @Aki

@Stern are you going to make an argument?

Not really...

it is just that: (i) exporting 1.8 million tonnes of grain during the mass starvation (enough to feed more than five million people for one year),

seems to be preety conclusive

All the western nations stopped accepting gold as payment for foreign goods and required all imports to be paid for with grain

but muh collectivization had nothing to do with it

@Stern are you going to make an argument?

this grain exported was being used to pay for industrialization and the buildup of railways that would allow for better transport of raw materials/food

```this grain exported was being used to pay for industrialization and the buildup of railways that would allow for better transport of raw materials/food```


where's the evidence? @Stern

if you look at the amount of grain exported in the years before the famine, the exports drastically decrease in 1932 when the famine starts

Witch doesn't change the fact that it conttributed to mass starvation.

@AdorableStormtrooper just a sec I'll post it

it's almost as if rapid industrialization is innately destructive or something and exacerbating the effects by eradicating the food production class is utterly retarded

@Aki but it wasn't intentional

that's the argument

@Stern so the exports decline post collectivization, wew lad

they had to pay for the foreign goods

>intentional eradication of farmers
>not intentional

never could have guessed that

raw mental gymnastics

@Alois Hello and welcome

Well firstly when you say that the amount of Grain exports decreased well... what is it supposed to prove?

hello @Bearer Of The Curse

@ecojuche the kulaks were killed because they burned grain and killed livestock, but they were not the 6 bajillion that died in the famine

@Stern all of them?

@Aki the grain exports decreased because they had to keep more to feed people

@Bearer Of The Curse how would i aquire roles

what would cause a farmer to completely eradicate his livelihood?

@Stern where's the evidence?

sure activates my almonds

I'm sure they did it for absolutely no reason

Jesus you guys are still in this discussion, what is it now?

TL;DR "killing food production class doesnt cause mass starvation it was actually the fault of nasty western capitalist hucksters"

Nahhh... nahhh that is autistic. The grain exports decreased because there wasn't enough grain to go around.

yeah, let's not talk about how the Soviets forcefully took all grain from Farmers forcing them to Protest by burning stock @Xinyue didn't address this one time despite me asking on multiple occasions, i guess we all know why

@ecojuche they weren't the food production class, they were the landowner class

kulaks =/= catch all for peasant class

So when you argue that they decreased it as an act of good will you aren't really making a rational argumet there.