Message from @Bird Wizard
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```Kulaks played the major moral role, considering their sabotage was intentional```
make up your mind mate @Xinyue
I have said that the kulaks played the major moral role in the famine from the beginning
never once did I flinch in this
@Stern No no no... not so easy. Lets start first with which countries participated in the golden blocade. A link to the source plox... sencond we will go to why it had to paid in grain. (Just as a side not "Without industrialized transportation and production systems, famine is more likely to occur" this "is more likely to occur is already moving the goalpost)
Soviet Policy began it, yes, because it set the Kulak Reaction in motion, however this was not moral matter because it was not intentional on the part of the Soviets
first of all, it wasn't sabotage by "Kulaks", for someone so intent on defending the pure intentions of the Soviet State, u sure don't care about the intentions of people you Dehumanize @Xinyue
They were protesting after making petitions after petitions
No Farmer ever Burns their own produce for no reason, and i know you think Soviet Policy was for greater good, but the results after the slaughter of "Kulaks" describe a different story @Xinyue
kulaks are basically white farmers in SA
yeah, they called small time farmers Bourgeoisie and these people still do as though they were owners of some multi million dollar concentrated Monopoly
I don't think that the farmers in africa did anything
these were multiple small time Farmers these people killed and then wondered why there's a fall in produce, pretty much the story in Zimbabwe
and it's the same dehumanization
@AdorableStormtrooper I do get that they were making petitions, but this is immaterial because in the end they decided to fuck over everybody in their country rather than hand over the farms to collective ownership and then share in the benefits. I never said they did it for no reason, its very clear they did it out of spite.
that's basically u suciding ur economy if u want collective ownership
just share the benefits mayyyn
look at the people that actually want communism in SA
>when you have a famine but continue exporting grain
It was the Soviets who decided to fuck everyone over with their economic policy mate, not little maa and paw farms on the country side 😂 @Xinyue
collective ownership worked just fine during the USSR post Stalin, absolutely no famines of any kind
@Stern Then you would have to prove that industralization couldn't wait for a year or two.
ussr collapsed post stalin
Sovkhoz and Kolkhoz did provide foodstuffs just fine
@Xinyue absolutely no food shortages amiright?
zero famines, yes
Well will you adress it or not?
no food shortages, ever after the holodomor? right? @Xinyue
no murders post murder
I don't know of any major food shortages in 1960s, 1970s for example. I do know that foodstamps are common in US though @AdorableStormtrooper
what does that mean?
@Aki do you deny that agrarian economies can't transport and produce food as well as industrial nations (along with not being able to produce military goods necessary to defend a country in time of war)
Foodstamps are free food
That is not what I asked you for mate.
food stamps shouldn't be common
but do you deny it
What do food stamps have to do with food shortage
Its the ability to provide people
With food