It was the Soviets who decided to fuck everyone over with their economic policy mate, not little maa and paw farms on the country side 😂 @Xinyue

collective ownership worked just fine during the USSR post Stalin, absolutely no famines of any kind

it's the same thuggish mentality that stalin had, just take it by force

@Stern Then you would have to prove that industralization couldn't wait for a year or two.

ussr collapsed post stalin

Sovkhoz and Kolkhoz did provide foodstuffs just fine

@Xinyue absolutely no food shortages amiright?

zero famines, yes

@Aki ?

Well will you adress it or not?

no food shortages, ever after the holodomor? right? @Xinyue

no murders post murder

I don't know of any major food shortages in 1960s, 1970s for example. I do know that foodstamps are common in US though @AdorableStormtrooper

what does that mean?

@Aki do you deny that agrarian economies can't transport and produce food as well as industrial nations (along with not being able to produce military goods necessary to defend a country in time of war)

Foodstamps are free food

That is not what I asked you for mate.

food stamps shouldn't be common

@Aki ok

but do you deny it

What do food stamps have to do with food shortage

Its the ability to provide people

With food

Even when they can't pay for it

That is the opposite

No?

No I don't but it is in a way outside of the point.

It's leading to the point

ok give me the point then

@Xinyue does everyone deserve food? why?

US economic system is inadequate at delivering food to everyone; hence why they have to create a system outside the economic system to make sure food finds it way to the people the economic system can't reach. Food rationing in general is like this, you work outside the basic economic system to make sure that people get fed. Point is, people *were* fed, clothed and housed and the public sector determined the utilisation of the productive forces. The system did reach the goals that it set out to attain.

That's the Wrong Goals

"do you deny that agrarian economies can't transport and produce food as well as industrial nations (along with not being able to produce military goods necessary to defend a country in time of war)"
since you agree with this point, it's common sense to put industrialization as an emphasis

Subjective opinion on your part @AdorableStormtrooper

But it is adequate at delivering food to everyone

They can still eat

Thats what foodstamps are for

because unindustrialized economies can't produce or transport anything as efficiently as industrial ones

Am I not understanding something

i reserve my right

@Xinyue Your entire ideology depends on this, and i don't believe in a subjective morality, so no.
That is seriously a wrong goal.