Message from @Xinyue
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there's no escape from the fact that Kulaks were killing whatever could've been spent to alleviate any famine. They single-handedly are the amoral faction #1 in the birth of this famine
the ones whose intent was absolutely solid
@Xinyue Soviet Policy however was far worse, killing all the productive Farmers, replacing them with worse labor and transporting the produce to the cities..
```Soviet Policy was not the sabotage of crops and killing of hundreds of thousands of livestock. That was Kulak Policy```
@Xinyue all you're trying to do is muddly the waters
I've said time and time again that the Soviets killed 600K-700K people who *cannot be justified as kills*
irrelevant
and that this was the great moral failure of the Soviet Union
however,
the killing of the Kulaks came *after* their obstructionism
not before
Soviet Created Famines were also an Atrocity
to which you admit so called Kulaks played a minor role
Kulaks played the major moral role, considering their sabotage was intentional
and can be confirmed to be such
```the killing of the Kulaks came after their obstructionism```
yes, there are always reasons as i said with Nazi and Poland comparison, Soviets made things worse by going ahead with the thing they were protesting
and further, Soviet administration was the one that *ended* the chronic famines in the regions controlled by Soviets that had been a **feature** not a **flaw** in the previous system
```Kulaks played the major moral role, considering their sabotage was intentional```
make up your mind mate @Xinyue
I have said that the kulaks played the major moral role in the famine from the beginning
never once did I flinch in this
@Stern No no no... not so easy. Lets start first with which countries participated in the golden blocade. A link to the source plox... sencond we will go to why it had to paid in grain. (Just as a side not "Without industrialized transportation and production systems, famine is more likely to occur" this "is more likely to occur is already moving the goalpost)
Soviet Policy began it, yes, because it set the Kulak Reaction in motion, however this was not moral matter because it was not intentional on the part of the Soviets
first of all, it wasn't sabotage by "Kulaks", for someone so intent on defending the pure intentions of the Soviet State, u sure don't care about the intentions of people you Dehumanize @Xinyue
They were protesting after making petitions after petitions
No Farmer ever Burns their own produce for no reason, and i know you think Soviet Policy was for greater good, but the results after the slaughter of "Kulaks" describe a different story @Xinyue
kulaks are basically white farmers in SA
yeah, they called small time farmers Bourgeoisie and these people still do as though they were owners of some multi million dollar concentrated Monopoly
I don't think that the farmers in africa did anything
these were multiple small time Farmers these people killed and then wondered why there's a fall in produce, pretty much the story in Zimbabwe
and it's the same dehumanization
@AdorableStormtrooper I do get that they were making petitions, but this is immaterial because in the end they decided to fuck over everybody in their country rather than hand over the farms to collective ownership and then share in the benefits. I never said they did it for no reason, its very clear they did it out of spite.
that's basically u suciding ur economy if u want collective ownership
just share the benefits mayyyn
look at the people that actually want communism in SA
>when you have a famine but continue exporting grain
It was the Soviets who decided to fuck everyone over with their economic policy mate, not little maa and paw farms on the country side 😂 @Xinyue
collective ownership worked just fine during the USSR post Stalin, absolutely no famines of any kind
it's the same thuggish mentality that stalin had, just take it by force
@Stern Then you would have to prove that industralization couldn't wait for a year or two.
ussr collapsed post stalin
Sovkhoz and Kolkhoz did provide foodstuffs just fine
@Xinyue absolutely no food shortages amiright?