Message from @Bukkaking

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2018-12-02 05:32:03 UTC  

All of those factors affect textile armor

2018-12-02 05:32:13 UTC  

I have yet to find any compelling evidence showing that .22LR can defeat 3a

2018-12-02 05:32:25 UTC  

Which is why they're generally used alongside or as reinforcement to solid armor like cermaics or metals

2018-12-02 05:32:40 UTC  

the reason why it is probably not addressed is because they can't define an all-encompassing criteria for what .22LR it should defeat

2018-12-02 05:32:47 UTC  

Exactly.

2018-12-02 05:33:07 UTC  

I'm sure that there is some load of .22LR out there that you can fire from a 26 inch barrel that may defeat 3A given specific conditions

2018-12-02 05:33:31 UTC  

however 99% of common use .22LR firearms and loads will be defeated by 3A

2018-12-02 05:33:38 UTC  

Because no backyard nigger plinker .22 is firing at a proper target in a proper test environment, and nowhere near the required number of plates or shots.

2018-12-02 05:34:23 UTC  

IIIA testing is something like 300 rounds against 20+ plates

2018-12-02 05:34:43 UTC  

At varying standard environmental ranges and conditions

2018-12-02 05:35:06 UTC  

it's not going though

2018-12-02 05:36:14 UTC  

You can say that all you want but the science is there.

2018-12-02 05:36:53 UTC  

Textile armor is so weak against small projectiles it's causing a shift to solid armors

2018-12-02 05:37:16 UTC  

ok, you let us know when you're done with your NIJ testing how that goes

2018-12-02 05:37:20 UTC  

NIJ 0101.04 does state that level 1 will defeat .22LR

2018-12-02 05:37:26 UTC  

lol

2018-12-02 05:37:35 UTC  

0101.04 was superceded.

2018-12-02 05:37:48 UTC  

NIJ FIGHT

2018-12-02 05:38:24 UTC  

Test methods differ between publications

2018-12-02 05:38:57 UTC  

Which, given the trog-tier test methods used by some of the really old publications, is why you go with the newest one.

2018-12-02 05:39:40 UTC  

It makes no logical sense that they would regress from .04 to .06 to no longer cover .22LR

2018-12-02 05:40:12 UTC  

Again, changing test methods provide alternate results.

2018-12-02 05:40:35 UTC  

For instance, in the old NIJ test model, they used a BFD clay that provided inaccurate results

2018-12-02 05:41:05 UTC  

point is that you are mkaing it seem like any pack of walmart .22LR fired from a 10/22 will shred a 3A to bits

2018-12-02 05:41:11 UTC  

which is far from the actual truth

2018-12-02 05:41:23 UTC  

Fuck no and I never said that

2018-12-02 05:42:05 UTC  

A .22LR customized for AP by dremeling the top and molding a resin tip would have a good chance.

2018-12-02 05:42:14 UTC  

"Soft vests get shrek'd by basically everything"

2018-12-02 05:42:27 UTC  

Yeah they do.

2018-12-02 05:42:46 UTC  

They can't even stop +P 9mm loads

2018-12-02 05:43:49 UTC  

In fact, barring III+, most of the test criteria use light projectiles and light loads.

2018-12-02 05:44:12 UTC  

So I am assuming that you are using this data as justification for you not employing any soft armor?

2018-12-02 05:45:10 UTC  

Because I cam

2018-12-02 05:45:22 UTC  

As my primary armor? God no. Flexible III is good for covering anywhere you can't fit a hard plate.

2018-12-02 05:45:29 UTC  

I can't see the buy in for you pushing so hard for no armor?

2018-12-02 05:45:43 UTC  

But I wouldn't trust soft armor to stop much of anything

2018-12-02 05:45:56 UTC  

given the phsycial and material limitations of textile armors

2018-12-02 05:46:02 UTC  

IIIA will stop 9mm +P loads

2018-12-02 05:46:08 UTC  

not IIA

2018-12-02 05:46:27 UTC  

only one 9mm +P I know of that will pen IIIA

2018-12-02 05:46:35 UTC  

that isnt AP