@MamaLana Sourdough "e liquid is in anti freeze" is misleading. e liquid is made up of only 4 ingredients, vegetable glycerin, propelyne glycol, nicotine, and natural & artificial flavoring. Vegetable glycerin is well known to be safe for human consumption, it's used is many dental and hospital products, it keeps frozen foods fresh, it's even in your toothpaste, and 70-80% of e liquid is "VG". "PG" its toxic cousin is used in toxic antifreeze, but PG is used in non toxic anti freeze and is safe for human consumption, non toxic, 20-30% of e liquid is PG. It's one of the ingredients in non toxic anti freeze that makes it so it won't kill someone or something if accidentally drank.

@Gambit Mutant there’s no glycerin in my toothpaste 😎 my point isn’t about the scare tactics of the cigarette industry or of our government. My point is that neither is healthy, PERIOD. Obviously statistics used correctly can skew results and perception of reality. That shelter wasn’t advocating for either - they were against BOTH cigarette smoking and vaping.

actually "PG" is the key ingredient that makes it 'anti-freeze'

it's naturally found in buttercup flowers

a zero power option to vaping is water based pump spray and a nicorette tablet soaking in it

i've taken apart those vap units and rebuilt them, that resonator doesn't resonate, it doesn't even behave like an actual resonator, it's a heater, nothing more

piezo electric elements 'resonate' when power is applied to them...with no heating

they're crystal based

and no cleaning or replacing of the crystal resonator is needed since it vapes pure so nothing sticks to it

@MamaLana Sourdough and I'm wondering just what that shelter was saying about vaping is the thing. And yes, there actually is some vegetable glycerin in most toothpastes. And @SirW00f , maybe you don't agree with my source but... "In general, glycols are non-corrosive, have very low volatility and very low toxicity; however, the closely related ethylene glycol (a key ingredient in antifreeze) is toxic to humans and to many animals." ethylene glycol is in toxic anti freeze.

PG's toxic cousin, PG is non toxic and in non toxic anti freeze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

Colgate and Crest toothpaste both have VG and PG both in them

That’s y I make my own w/ green clay, big soda& peppermint oil.

@Gambit Mutant Colgate and Crest are really unhealthy. Colgate was one of the first brands that I remember using Triclosan...a known carcinogen. When I was still not completely natural in my product choice and using Colgate, I noticed that whenever I brushed that I was spitting out pieces of skin! I sometimes use Young Living toothpaste (I rep for them), but typically I just use salt, and sometimes I make my own like @thedametruth

@MamaLana Sourdough ... young living toothpaste uses vegetable glycerin (VG) because it's proven to be safe for humans. "Ingredients
Water, Calcium carbonate, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) oil, Sodium bicarbonate, Glycerin (Vegetable), Xylitol, Xanthum gum, Mentha piperita† (Peppermint) oil, Mentha spicata† (Spearmint) leaf oil, Eugenia caryophyllus (Clove) bud oil, Ocotea quixos† (Ocotea) leaf oil, Cinnamomum verum† (Cinnamon) Bark oil, Citrus limon† (Lemon) peel oil, Eucalyptus Radiata† leaf oil, Rosmarinus officinalis† (Rosemary) leaf oil, Stevia rebaudiana leaf extract, Lecithin (Sunflower)."

Check out www.toothsoap.com

Anybody have any experience/knowledge re: Patriot Power Greens?

The marketing angle looks hoakey, but thinking about giving it a go. Thoughts, anyone?

@Relic 1776 those look like typical paid opinion reviews. And the name looks to be a scam going after your background. Know the sources well and always check/double check multiple sources - perhaps for other product reviews. I would NOT trust that one posted above as it’s intended to get you to BUY.

Yes, @Gambit Mutant I’m aware of that. It’s not what you were talking about. Also, we rarely use it due to VG being possibly sourced from soy and there are allergies to soy in our family (even though VG is deemed safe). Not sure what point you’re trying to make anymore.

Thanks MamaLana. There IS a very strong BUY Buy vibe. Very strong sales push on the website

Ima continue to look into it though

No negative reviews found so far

As to toothpaste, we are liking "kiss my face" flouride free triple action.

https://www.amazon.com/Kiss-My-Face-Toothpaste-Fluoride/dp/B00JIKPY36/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1540869125&sr=8-1&keywords=toothpaste%2Bkiss%2Bmy%2Bface&dpID=416zOq1rJ%252BL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch&th=1

@MamaLana Sourdough because VG is what makes up 70-80% of vape juice / e liquid. You were very vague about why that shelter says vaping is bad, so I have no idea what they're telling these people at the shelter about vaping. There's also a difference between food grade VG and medical grade VG... medical grade VG is synthetic and is the highest quality VG there is, and doesn't cause allergic reactions like food grade VG that contains soy can.

I was just trying to prove to you that vaping is the safer option when compared to cigarettes.

It's also because you laughed and said there's no glycerin in your toothpaste, when in fact there is.

home grown tobacco is safer than either

no pesticides

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bphmi4hg2Kw/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=x2jqszopkdgy

https://www.foxnews.com/us/licorice-twizzlers-to-blame-for-his-heart-disease-man-claims-in-lawsuit

btw, all tobacco products have been sweetened for decades from the same plant

the tobacco u think is real 100% tobacco...it isn't...it's like 20% tobacco most of them, and the rest is natural licorice fiber...high source of vg

it's the waste material they have left over from extracting the flavoring from the plant for other food products

https://www.facebook.com/courtney.mindyourbusiness/videos/10217775063031869/

@SirW00f I’m too exhausted right now but I remember that there’s something in licorice that if a person has too much of it, it can cause heart problems.

@Gambit Mutant really? Reread my posts. You’re wasting my time on BS. You’re 1)splitting hairs and 2) posting ads/for sale crap and I will publicly say do NOT keep up this tactic or you will be banned. End of discussion.

And to CLARIFY- “my” toothpaste that I use: SALT. Ain’t NO VG in that. The YL one DOES have VG and we don’t use it much in our household due to actual SOY allergies.

some plants have natural toxins in them, some are sprayed on toxins that can get transferred to the food supply

btw, excessive carb intake(sugars, starches and even alcohol) can increase risks of heart disease while ignoring a few main factors that also contribute to what they call 'heart disease'

a yeast infection in the blood stream(yes, it can happen, i'm living proof of it) can form plaque formations in the walls of the arteries in the slower areas of blood flow that have high risk of carb saturation and other materials for yeast breeding