didnt word my anwer very well but thats not what I believe

You either your a loser virgin like me. Or your a pussy whipped simp like hermit

Sorry, I’m not ascribing this to you; trying to see where you see the camps being set up.

Pick one

Its actually difficult to draw the line between the camps, because on the surface they all look the same

but its just a feeling I get

Fuck or don't fuck, there's aids - Yoda

I got this feeling with MGTOW101 and DDJ

and to a extent Howard Dare

Also in the 30s and 40s slot of marriages were from unwanted pregnancies

btw, I never hear anyone talk about Howard Dae

dare

but I'm wary of him

That social expectation was still there

I think the hardcore MGTOW would be Stardusk, TFM, Colttaine, Coterie etc, guys who have actually and legitimately went their own way and aren't faking it for validation or anything else.

I've backed up Howard Dare's content.

Define hardcore

Dedicated to knowledge, self-actualization, just becoming your personally defined ideal self.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon I’ve heard some of his stuff, but I thought he was just red pill, not really MGTOW. (It’s been a few years, though.)

Gotcha

@Misanthropic Imperial I listen to all them above

Cause I think the only legit simp is angry mgtow

The purple pill being Howard Dare, Angry MGTOW, MGTOW 101, DDJ etc.

Yeah I can say who the hardcore MGTOWs are, and who the fakes are, but what seperates them, is do they shame others or put unjustified labels on people

Even meowgtow 101 has more stones than that soyboy

If they do focus on self-actualization they don't talk about it in their videos (at least from what I've seen).

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon The shaming language is my biggest red flag.

No, angry is bluepill as fuck man

Angry MGTOW's been a laughing stock for years.

If the argument for a man’s path involves leading with the insult and hitching the logic to it, I don’t differentiate it from any tradcon bullshit I’ve heard.

I can’t believe how quick he dips out, no self respect

Angry MGTOW, laugh at him all you want, but he got a lot of people into the community at least

I've noticed DDJ has been using the terms red pill and blue pill to describe actions he likes or wishes people to follow.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon
tbh, i can't listen to this howard dare guy, he has some quite annoying type / tone in his videos ...
so can't really judge the content

It's manipulative.

He was who got me aware of MGTOW

@Misanthropic Imperial Exactly my point.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon well yeah atleast that happened, but it’s just dumb to redpill so many men and go back on your word like that

As far as I'm concerned self-actualization is accomplishing your goals, doing what you've always wanted to do, being healthy, happy etc.

I've always wanted to like DDJ but forever there was just something about him I didnt like

Years of talking shit btw