I think the hardcore MGTOW would be Stardusk, TFM, Colttaine, Coterie etc, guys who have actually and legitimately went their own way and aren't faking it for validation or anything else.

I've backed up Howard Dare's content.

Define hardcore

Dedicated to knowledge, self-actualization, just becoming your personally defined ideal self.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon I’ve heard some of his stuff, but I thought he was just red pill, not really MGTOW. (It’s been a few years, though.)

Gotcha

@Misanthropic Imperial I listen to all them above

Cause I think the only legit simp is angry mgtow

The purple pill being Howard Dare, Angry MGTOW, MGTOW 101, DDJ etc.

Yeah I can say who the hardcore MGTOWs are, and who the fakes are, but what seperates them, is do they shame others or put unjustified labels on people

Even meowgtow 101 has more stones than that soyboy

If they do focus on self-actualization they don't talk about it in their videos (at least from what I've seen).

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon The shaming language is my biggest red flag.

No, angry is bluepill as fuck man

Angry MGTOW's been a laughing stock for years.

If the argument for a man’s path involves leading with the insult and hitching the logic to it, I don’t differentiate it from any tradcon bullshit I’ve heard.

I can’t believe how quick he dips out, no self respect

Angry MGTOW, laugh at him all you want, but he got a lot of people into the community at least

I've noticed DDJ has been using the terms red pill and blue pill to describe actions he likes or wishes people to follow.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon
tbh, i can't listen to this howard dare guy, he has some quite annoying type / tone in his videos ...
so can't really judge the content

It's manipulative.

He was who got me aware of MGTOW

@Misanthropic Imperial Exactly my point.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon well yeah atleast that happened, but it’s just dumb to redpill so many men and go back on your word like that

As far as I'm concerned self-actualization is accomplishing your goals, doing what you've always wanted to do, being healthy, happy etc.

I've always wanted to like DDJ but forever there was just something about him I didnt like

Years of talking shit btw

if you're self actualized, your journey sure as fuck shouldnt stop with accomplishing your goals

the goal post should keep moving further

I don’t take self actualization as one ultimate purpose in life personally

@Misanthropic Imperial What, you mean seeing yourself as a human with dreams and hopes to fulfill and ensuring your wellbeing so you can achieve them? What are you, a misogynist?!

That’s time wasted I think

I like what Grizzly MGTOW once said about this. He said your jouney never stops until you're dead, but you just make occasional stops along the way and continue on

Yeah kinda

Grizzly’s dead on about that. You’re never done, you’re just further ahead — and hopefully a little better — than you were yesterday.

What exactly is self-actualization?

Setting meaningful goals for yourself

@frugalcasper Ah, man, you’re going to hate me for saying this, but: that’s up to you.

Self actualization is giving yourself validation. That is you don't let other people define who you are or what you are here to do. You realize you have value in yourseof

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And what that looks like is something no one here but you can find an answer to.