the big shift was when the thinking shifted from " we can't do it unless the constitutiion says we can" to " we can do anything except what the constitution says we can't"

quite the opposite

the military is argueably the strictest system of laws to live under

those rules of engagement I was talking about

@AVRO Architect There is a different thing to consider. You can do whatever you want, a piece of paper is not in your way

I just fundamentally disagree with the analogy

@Whats gay anymore Please elaborate, and stick to the facts please

those rules have conditions that have to be met before certain actions can be taken

@AVRO Architect Which is how gangs operate too

for example martial law can't just be declared, the conditions have to degrade to the point that the rules allow for the action to be taken

@AVRO Architect Does arbitary rule which change all the time seem important?

combined with uniform code, the laws of the nation, and the rules of engagement the military operates in a fundamentally different way, with a different purpose and goal in mind. and no those rules don't arbitrarily change

in fact changing them usually is harder than getting nuclei to fuse

@AVRO Architect So you have some detailed experience with gangs?

the military has MANY mechanisms inplace to keep them from being changed

You know they have gang members in the US military?

no I have detailed experience with the military

How about you tell us why you think they're both gangs

I've already given my reasons

the criminal problem is something they have to deal with, the US military doesn't exactly have the highest moral standards in the world ( barring the marines, those SOBs are nuts)

@AVRO Architect I know about the unvillingless of the military to change. I know quite a few ex and current military people, mainly US byt the way

The military is a fundamentally different operation

Neither do gangs, so what?

You might as well say the police force are gangs

You'd be closer then saying the military is

@Whats gay anymore agreed fundamentally different operation, culture, rule set, mind set, and is often misunderstood

Yeah I can't see a single connection to a gang

I've seen police forces that are more gang like than the military

Exactly

If you wanted a good analogy go with the cops

is this the definition of fundamentally uou use?:
Fundamentalism usually has a religious connotation that indicates unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.

No it's not

besides you can't prove a negative

fundamentalism is different from fundamental

base principles, first principles are a better term for it

@Whats gay anymore Ok, please define fundamental

I know you have google

I'm not here to define things for you

When you can't even argue your point

I don't use google by the way

Ask jeeves for kids then