the criminal problem is something they have to deal with, the US military doesn't exactly have the highest moral standards in the world ( barring the marines, those SOBs are nuts)

@AVRO Architect I know about the unvillingless of the military to change. I know quite a few ex and current military people, mainly US byt the way

The military is a fundamentally different operation

Neither do gangs, so what?

You might as well say the police force are gangs

You'd be closer then saying the military is

@Whats gay anymore agreed fundamentally different operation, culture, rule set, mind set, and is often misunderstood

Yeah I can't see a single connection to a gang

I've seen police forces that are more gang like than the military

Exactly

If you wanted a good analogy go with the cops

is this the definition of fundamentally uou use?:
Fundamentalism usually has a religious connotation that indicates unwavering attachment to a set of irreducible beliefs.

No it's not

besides you can't prove a negative

fundamentalism is different from fundamental

base principles, first principles are a better term for it

@Whats gay anymore Ok, please define fundamental

I know you have google

I'm not here to define things for you

When you can't even argue your point

I don't use google by the way

Ask jeeves for kids then

I am not familar with the definition of 'fundamental' that you use, please enlighten me

fun·da·men·tal
/ˌfəndəˈmen(t)əl/
adjective

1.
forming a necessary base or core; of central importance:
"the protection of fundamental human rights"
▪
affecting or relating to the essential nature of something or the crucial point about an issue:

1.
a central or primary rule or principle on which something is based:
"two courses cover the fundamentals of microbiology"

And now you know

+1 learning

@AVRO Architect I agree with you that the police is more gang-like than the military

My I get the source of that definition?

they can be, it's more the quality of the people that make up the force than the base structure or purpose

... now we gotta peer review our common definitions

its a cropped version from the Oxford dictionary

You're yet to tell us why they're the same by the way

i'd link it but the bot won't let me

You just keep claiming it

Nope you don't have to peer review your definitions, it is more for my part to get the exact meaning of words used

I take it that english is not your first language? I feel I have defended my point quite thoroughly. Your turn

Not it is not my first language, you are correct there

I thought so, given the time of day we started, assuming you are on a "normal" sleep cycle you would have to be somewhere in europe

@Whats gay anymore Enforcers?

I am actually in Asia, but from Europe

ah I see