Message from @Baron Doom
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if the government is a gang the military is the gun, just a tool at the end of the day
@AVRO Architect Any goverment is no different from a gang, military and police are the enforcers
That's a very ancap way of looking at it
You need those "enforcers" for a functional society
no the military is a tool as are the police the enforce the laws and standards
they are the monopoly of violence as the ancaps say
Gangs have their enforcers too
I'm failing completely to see their connection to gangs
this is why a good government and not a tyranical one is important
One upholds the laws and values of a sovereign state
And one is just a group of lawless thugs
what matters is the quality of the state and government, corrupt gov, misused military
Please look at what is happening in the US. The original constitution were quite good. What is happening now
Laws are changing but that doesn't mean the military is akin to a street gang
that can be traced to the government itself and the us supreme courts specifically
@Whats gay anymore My question is what is the difference. The military is bigger and better organized. Don't give a fuck about laws when necessary
the big shift was when the thinking shifted from " we can't do it unless the constitutiion says we can" to " we can do anything except what the constitution says we can't"
quite the opposite
the military is argueably the strictest system of laws to live under
those rules of engagement I was talking about
@AVRO Architect There is a different thing to consider. You can do whatever you want, a piece of paper is not in your way
I just fundamentally disagree with the analogy
@Whats gay anymore Please elaborate, and stick to the facts please
those rules have conditions that have to be met before certain actions can be taken
@AVRO Architect Which is how gangs operate too
for example martial law can't just be declared, the conditions have to degrade to the point that the rules allow for the action to be taken
@AVRO Architect Does arbitary rule which change all the time seem important?
combined with uniform code, the laws of the nation, and the rules of engagement the military operates in a fundamentally different way, with a different purpose and goal in mind. and no those rules don't arbitrarily change
in fact changing them usually is harder than getting nuclei to fuse
@AVRO Architect So you have some detailed experience with gangs?
the military has MANY mechanisms inplace to keep them from being changed
You know they have gang members in the US military?
no I have detailed experience with the military
How about you tell us why you think they're both gangs
I've already given my reasons
the criminal problem is something they have to deal with, the US military doesn't exactly have the highest moral standards in the world ( barring the marines, those SOBs are nuts)
@AVRO Architect I know about the unvillingless of the military to change. I know quite a few ex and current military people, mainly US byt the way
The military is a fundamentally different operation
Neither do gangs, so what?
You might as well say the police force are gangs
You'd be closer then saying the military is