the military exists purely to prepare and be prepared for war

And that differ from the military and government exactly how?

oh the government is a scheme

the military is simply a tool

if the government is a gang the military is the gun, just a tool at the end of the day

@AVRO Architect Any goverment is no different from a gang, military and police are the enforcers

That's a very ancap way of looking at it

You need those "enforcers" for a functional society

no the military is a tool as are the police the enforce the laws and standards

they are the monopoly of violence as the ancaps say

Gangs have their enforcers too

I'm failing completely to see their connection to gangs

this is why a good government and not a tyranical one is important

One upholds the laws and values of a sovereign state

And one is just a group of lawless thugs

what matters is the quality of the state and government, corrupt gov, misused military

Please look at what is happening in the US. The original constitution were quite good. What is happening now

Laws are changing but that doesn't mean the military is akin to a street gang

that can be traced to the government itself and the us supreme courts specifically

@Whats gay anymore My question is what is the difference. The military is bigger and better organized. Don't give a fuck about laws when necessary

the big shift was when the thinking shifted from " we can't do it unless the constitutiion says we can" to " we can do anything except what the constitution says we can't"

quite the opposite

the military is argueably the strictest system of laws to live under

those rules of engagement I was talking about

@AVRO Architect There is a different thing to consider. You can do whatever you want, a piece of paper is not in your way

I just fundamentally disagree with the analogy

@Whats gay anymore Please elaborate, and stick to the facts please

those rules have conditions that have to be met before certain actions can be taken

@AVRO Architect Which is how gangs operate too

for example martial law can't just be declared, the conditions have to degrade to the point that the rules allow for the action to be taken

@AVRO Architect Does arbitary rule which change all the time seem important?

combined with uniform code, the laws of the nation, and the rules of engagement the military operates in a fundamentally different way, with a different purpose and goal in mind. and no those rules don't arbitrarily change

in fact changing them usually is harder than getting nuclei to fuse

@AVRO Architect So you have some detailed experience with gangs?

the military has MANY mechanisms inplace to keep them from being changed

You know they have gang members in the US military?

no I have detailed experience with the military

How about you tell us why you think they're both gangs

I've already given my reasons

the criminal problem is something they have to deal with, the US military doesn't exactly have the highest moral standards in the world ( barring the marines, those SOBs are nuts)

@AVRO Architect I know about the unvillingless of the military to change. I know quite a few ex and current military people, mainly US byt the way