The Kulaks weren't using their land, so the government collectivized it and gave it to the former peasants

lol China has state directed capitalism and the #1 economy on earth yet people think less regulations is good

Lol, gave it to the peasants, sure.

China isn't the #1 economy on earth.

The peasants started the movement in the 1st place

It's run like Nazi Germany, its prosperity only came after they abandoned trying to actually practice their retarded ideology.

The peasants started the movement and got the government's support and started collectivizing the Kulak's unused land

The peasants didn't own the land, the state did.

@ebowden during the 1991 referendum around 76% of the population voted to keep the USSR but Yeltsin dissolved it illegally

@ebowden the state was run through workers councils where they had direct say in the government

In 1991, when the liberalisation had progressed even further... ok.

Lol, direct say.

yet here Russians were claiming that they're country is collapsing due to liberal reforms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBmtkW3Tl8

So, commies are claiming that they need communism?

Ok.

I'm not entirely sure why that's supposed to surprise me.

we need socialism is a transitional period to communism, and they are just average everyday people

lol

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1d3Kxx36gY

I know people who did. It was awful.

you did? where were they from?

(also you're just giving me anecdotal so there are some that you wanted from people)

How about during the time of not only the early 1920s famine, but the Holodomor as well, the Soviets did not stop or even decrease their exportation of grain?

they actually imported grain during the holodomor later on, they had to sell off grain because they just had went through a civil war and ww1

their country would have collapsed if they didn't sell grain, also they didn't know the famine would grow that big of a size

They knew, or at the very least there were people at the top that knew better, but Stalin wanted his collective farms, and he wasn't going to let the reality of starving people get in his way.

the kulaks ended up burning their crops because their land was being collectivized be the state, and how does collectivization randomly destroy crops?

also another document about the kulaks destroying land

here's a document ordering to increase food production in an area that voluntarily promised extra but did not even reach the original quota.

I would fully expect the Soviets to blame their shortcomings on anyone but themselves. That is how their system functioned. I put as much faith in the accuracy of those reports as I do in the optimism of Stalin's "Dizzy With Success" article in Pravda

so you're just saying i can't trust the USSR and what their documents say because they are the USSR?

i could say the same for any capitalist document

also if you want more info on grain exports https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMBJ_nQ4sTA

this is more in depth

We know very clearly how they operated. We have countless examples of them twisting the truth to suit their ideology and not the other way around. The fact that you would trust documents of theirs that throw all blame on people that they had every reason to malign because they branded them unequivocably as political enemies and then try to deflect to an argument that no one made (capitalist documents) yeah, guess what? I don't trust the CIA or FBI either. We know how the Soviets propagated disinformation, stop trying to pretend you can trust them with the truth.

what book is that?

and also i can say why would you trust the black book of communism, why would trust that book? you don't have any counter evidence

saying "i know how the system works" doesn't mean anything

if you have any counter evidence against the documents, i would like to see them

The book is The End of Committment by Paul Hollander. for your information, I have not read the black book of communism, but I have read accounts of people who lived under those systems.