Message from @Diablo
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No citations here?
debunking the "starvation" myth
Also, interesting to see that the 1970s, when the USSR was trying to liberalise was chosen.
they weren't liberalizing lol, if anything they were getting worse withy the capitalist reforms in 1990 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE
Well, we have retarded Nazis who believe that the holocaust was a hoax.
It's only fitting we get retarded commies who believe that the mass-death under communism was a hoax too.
Yeah I guess Stalin used his magic weather powers to starve a million people
@REEDSEEJBAMBAM, come join the retard fight, we have a commie here.
lol
Reminds me of the Nazis. "ALLIES DID THE HOLOCAUST!"
I guess the Kulaks burning all the crops to sabotage the USSR for collectivizing their land didn't happen
makes sense
What happens is that collectivised farming is shit.
The Chinese managed to get production up by trying to mimic capitalism and allowing people to keep a portion of their surplus.
The Kulaks weren't using their land, so the government collectivized it and gave it to the former peasants
lol China has state directed capitalism and the #1 economy on earth yet people think less regulations is good
Lol, gave it to the peasants, sure.
China isn't the #1 economy on earth.
It's run like Nazi Germany, its prosperity only came after they abandoned trying to actually practice their retarded ideology.
The peasants started the movement and got the government's support and started collectivizing the Kulak's unused land
The peasants didn't own the land, the state did.
@ebowden during the 1991 referendum around 76% of the population voted to keep the USSR but Yeltsin dissolved it illegally
@ebowden the state was run through workers councils where they had direct say in the government
In 1991, when the liberalisation had progressed even further... ok.
Lol, direct say.
yet here Russians were claiming that they're country is collapsing due to liberal reforms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBmtkW3Tl8
So, commies are claiming that they need communism?
Ok.
I'm not entirely sure why that's supposed to surprise me.
we need socialism is a transitional period to communism, and they are just average everyday people
lol
I know people who did. It was awful.
you did? where were they from?
(also you're just giving me anecdotal so there are some that you wanted from people)
How about during the time of not only the early 1920s famine, but the Holodomor as well, the Soviets did not stop or even decrease their exportation of grain?
they actually imported grain during the holodomor later on, they had to sell off grain because they just had went through a civil war and ww1
their country would have collapsed if they didn't sell grain, also they didn't know the famine would grow that big of a size