No citations here?

debunking the "starvation" myth

Also, interesting to see that the 1970s, when the USSR was trying to liberalise was chosen.

they weren't liberalizing lol, if anything they were getting worse withy the capitalist reforms in 1990 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE

Well, we have retarded Nazis who believe that the holocaust was a hoax.

It's only fitting we get retarded commies who believe that the mass-death under communism was a hoax too.

Yeah I guess Stalin used his magic weather powers to starve a million people

@REEDSEEJBAMBAM, come join the retard fight, we have a commie here.

lol

Reminds me of the Nazis. "ALLIES DID THE HOLOCAUST!"

I guess the Kulaks burning all the crops to sabotage the USSR for collectivizing their land didn't happen

makes sense

What happens is that collectivised farming is shit.

The Chinese managed to get production up by trying to mimic capitalism and allowing people to keep a portion of their surplus.

The Kulaks weren't using their land, so the government collectivized it and gave it to the former peasants

lol China has state directed capitalism and the #1 economy on earth yet people think less regulations is good

Lol, gave it to the peasants, sure.

China isn't the #1 economy on earth.

The peasants started the movement in the 1st place

It's run like Nazi Germany, its prosperity only came after they abandoned trying to actually practice their retarded ideology.

The peasants started the movement and got the government's support and started collectivizing the Kulak's unused land

The peasants didn't own the land, the state did.

@ebowden during the 1991 referendum around 76% of the population voted to keep the USSR but Yeltsin dissolved it illegally

@ebowden the state was run through workers councils where they had direct say in the government

In 1991, when the liberalisation had progressed even further... ok.

Lol, direct say.

yet here Russians were claiming that they're country is collapsing due to liberal reforms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBmtkW3Tl8

So, commies are claiming that they need communism?

Ok.

I'm not entirely sure why that's supposed to surprise me.

we need socialism is a transitional period to communism, and they are just average everyday people

lol

also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1d3Kxx36gY

I know people who did. It was awful.

you did? where were they from?

(also you're just giving me anecdotal so there are some that you wanted from people)

How about during the time of not only the early 1920s famine, but the Holodomor as well, the Soviets did not stop or even decrease their exportation of grain?

they actually imported grain during the holodomor later on, they had to sell off grain because they just had went through a civil war and ww1

their country would have collapsed if they didn't sell grain, also they didn't know the famine would grow that big of a size

They knew, or at the very least there were people at the top that knew better, but Stalin wanted his collective farms, and he wasn't going to let the reality of starving people get in his way.

the kulaks ended up burning their crops because their land was being collectivized be the state, and how does collectivization randomly destroy crops?