Message from @Seven Of Swords

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2018-09-02 01:34:48 UTC  

@Happy Humble Hermit that troll calling was hilarious! I hope I'm lucky enough to watch the next one live

2018-09-02 04:14:44 UTC  

2018-09-02 05:37:51 UTC  

I will be waiting for the thay wwere lTFM wil... Javé.... The

2018-09-02 05:39:46 UTC  

what?

2018-09-02 06:35:40 UTC  

I'm watching the Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson discussion and its fucking stupid.

2018-09-02 06:36:21 UTC  

Religiously naive tradcon vs Predictable Naive Libtard

2018-09-02 06:36:32 UTC  

Its not challenging at all lmao

2018-09-02 06:37:05 UTC  

Peterson speaks out of both sides of his mouth expecting us to believe one over the other, like a true hypocrite.

2018-09-02 06:37:35 UTC  

All the while Sam Harris makes the same arguments that every good atheist has heard since he was 12

2018-09-02 06:37:54 UTC  

really? I think it’s pretty good, I’ve been watching them today too.

2018-09-02 06:38:21 UTC  

Well... I've studied philosophy and psychology in a university so maybe that's why lol

2018-09-02 06:38:53 UTC  

I've studied philosophy of religion and pretty much knew everything that was going to fly out of Harris' mouth

2018-09-02 06:38:59 UTC  

I think that discussion is well above most people’s intelligence level

2018-09-02 06:39:08 UTC  

Perhaps...

2018-09-02 06:39:21 UTC  

Peterson's defenses of his faith position were pitiful

2018-09-02 06:39:43 UTC  

all the while when Harris opened his mouth i had to try very hard to keep myself awake lol

2018-09-02 06:40:49 UTC  

I understand where Jordan is coming from, its hard to pinpoint exactly where he is wrong. I think Peterson is wrong just because my beliefs align more with Sam’s but I haven’t finished part 2 yet

2018-09-02 06:41:30 UTC  

I love listening to Sam though he’s hilarious.

2018-09-02 06:41:37 UTC  

His analogies hit hard

2018-09-02 06:42:11 UTC  

One thing that I've learned from studying is that if it is hard to pinpoint where an argument is wrong, then the argument is not well understood, even by the person making it.

2018-09-02 06:42:35 UTC  

Peterson is no exception to this.

2018-09-02 06:43:18 UTC  

I agree. This is a difficult topic though. Been having arguments about its for thousands of years.

2018-09-02 06:43:31 UTC  

It’s a much more productive debate/conversation than most I’ve seen though.

2018-09-02 06:43:34 UTC  

So, that begs the question. If any argument can be made to be so strong that it becomes increasingly more difficult, if not impossible to point to a false premise, why believe in any argument?

2018-09-02 06:44:57 UTC  

And on the flip side, if one argument can be looked at as having all true premises and a true conclusion, yet any premise can be objected as being false, how can any argument be truly said to be sound?

2018-09-02 06:45:56 UTC  

Validity: an argument is valid if and only if the premises do not yield a false conclusion.

2018-09-02 06:46:33 UTC  

Soundness: an argument is sound if and only if all of the premises being true necessitate the conclusoin being true.

2018-09-02 06:47:04 UTC  

The problem here is that we have no idea if any premises of any argument are actually true so long as any premise of any argument can be objected as false.

2018-09-02 06:47:49 UTC  

In order for a premise of any argument to be true, it must rule out any and all possibility of it being false.

2018-09-02 06:48:47 UTC  

But, since it is not the case that any argument can rule out any of its premises are not false, we have a problem.

2018-09-02 06:49:12 UTC  

It remains to be seen if even a God(s) could solve this issue...

2018-09-02 06:51:03 UTC  

P> Q
Q>R
R>S
S>T
Therefore, T

2018-09-02 06:51:28 UTC  

Yet, even the first premise of the argument can be objected as being false.

2018-09-02 06:53:10 UTC  

Okay so how do you apply that to Peterson’s argument

2018-09-02 06:53:46 UTC  

Well... if you want to apply that to Peterson's argument, just plug and chug lol

2018-09-02 06:55:01 UTC  

He makes several claims attempting to defend the truth of scripture, yet when he claims truth, he cannot rule out every objection to any premise of his argument as not being false.

2018-09-02 06:56:23 UTC  

For example, let's say that premise 1 has a probability of being 5% false. Well, so long as there is a probability of a premise being false, it by definition cannot be true because true premises are not possible to be false.

2018-09-02 06:58:23 UTC  

A probability of a thing is simply the margin of error that can be allowed, and as long as there is a margin of error, we cannot know if anything in an argument is true because the supposed truth value of a premise would need to be independent of any error margin.

2018-09-02 06:59:44 UTC  

In other words, to say that something is true is to suggest that there are no other possibilities for it to not be the case... yet if there is always the possibility for it to not be the case, then it is not independent of any and all margins of error.

2018-09-02 06:59:53 UTC  

Quite the paradox...

2018-09-02 07:01:39 UTC  

Peterson attempted to use field data found by Jane Goodall as a building block of a metaphysics, yet metaphysics is just as specious as epistemology, logic, and ethics.