@igorbloodscene As for welfare, who is a societal leach, and so on, those are all discourses taking place within the framework of using the state as an authoritative and violent end to secure a political/economic interest. I think that the state is garbage, so no matter who argues for what policies should take place, they will not be what I would advocate for because the state itself is simply a problem that cannot solve the issues brought about the economic system that the state itself is dependent upon. We must consider radically new social institutions or get rid of them entirely to deal with our problems. If that means people abandon the state, then so be it. If that means that people abandon capitalism, then cool. If that means that the only way is to make sure that no one can breed any more because our own biology is the reason why we have social problems, then so be it.

All or nothing.

@igorbloodscene Perhaps this discussion is best had in voice chat. Walls of texts are annoying to write and very time consuming. I would very much like to read or listen to a response.

looking for mgtow

Looking for enlightment

"When you see the Buddha on the side of the road, kill him"

Who the hell said that?

Lol

Its just an aphorism lol

Stars in the Milky Way: ~100 Billion

Amount of debt that the US has : 21~23 Trillion Dollars

What the hell is going on here?

Why is the country in more debt than there are stars in the galaxy several times over?

Welfare and bad decisions

Really? You think its all welfare?

And bad decisions?

What if the economic and social system only creates spaces for people to make decisions that cannot solve the problems created by the system in the first place?

No matter how much health care, welfare or however many political policies are instituted by a state?

dude, really? do I have to read that wall of text? I have shit to get done. I'll get back to you... eventually, sometime.

I'm afk for a reason

Y'all posting essays xD

@igorbloodscene Noted. Which is why a discussion in voice chat would be better.

But if not, then I understand.

btw if you say communism and marxism isn't bad, prove me with one working example of a communist country in economical terms

(hint: venezuela is a fine proof of why communism doesn't work, if you need an example from the present)

What do you mean by "working" and what exactly is the standard for what economic terms legitimize which countries are or are not "working"?

Because in my opinion, no country or economy ever works because they are all littered with problems.

if you don't know what working means, look it up in a thesaurus/dictionary

What happens when I question the dictionary?

but 'working' means that you have economic mobility

Or perhaps a communist society could actually meet the definition of working under the dictionary?

that's something you don't have in a communist economy. that, you have in your country of origin, if it's not communist.

Care to explain deeper?

I'm not sure that I sufficiently understand your point...

Google definition of working: functioning or able to function.

Many communists would argue that communism can meet the definition.

okay, then your next job is to google 'economic mobility'

@Andrew The Meme King Memes are garbage tbh

Overplayed and trite.

@Seven Of Swords that hurts man

@igorbloodscene Under what system gets to determine or value if "economic mobility" is a factor of economic success if perhaps we could have other ways to structure society that may not value that specific aspect?