Message from @Seven Of Swords
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@igorbloodscene In other words, in order for the bourgeois to secure their own interests, the proletariat must be exploited otherwise they would not be able to profit. Then you suggest that seizing the means of production is simply taking from the capable and giving to those that are not. Again, I've already posited the question of how it is that this supposed incapability originates. Simply throwing the "muh Venezuela" or "muh Soviet Union" memes are not a good enough attempt to say that workers seizing the means of production is bad... because guess what? As long as there are any problems within a society, it becomes questionable if any society is worth having, whether capitalist or communist. So that begs the question, why are you arguing that a capitalist society is more acceptable with all of its problems rather than a communist one? And of course the same question can be asked of people advocating for communism. And keep in mind, I've never admitted to being a communist per se, only that I find Marx's critiques of Capitalism as compelling.
@igorbloodscene Then you suggest: "you've mistaken validation with economical success, like many others do", well, under capitalism, economic success is the measure of success. Why do you think that so many reactionaries advocate for people to study what allows them to accumulate the most capital for a capitalist rather than what may truly interest them? Because success is crafted as a little box that is only accepted by how useful a person can be to gain money for someone else. That is a hallmark of capitalism. To quote Blade Runner 2049, "When your'e not performing your duties, do they keep you in a little box? Cells".
@igorbloodscene As for welfare, who is a societal leach, and so on, those are all discourses taking place within the framework of using the state as an authoritative and violent end to secure a political/economic interest. I think that the state is garbage, so no matter who argues for what policies should take place, they will not be what I would advocate for because the state itself is simply a problem that cannot solve the issues brought about the economic system that the state itself is dependent upon. We must consider radically new social institutions or get rid of them entirely to deal with our problems. If that means people abandon the state, then so be it. If that means that people abandon capitalism, then cool. If that means that the only way is to make sure that no one can breed any more because our own biology is the reason why we have social problems, then so be it.
All or nothing.
@igorbloodscene Perhaps this discussion is best had in voice chat. Walls of texts are annoying to write and very time consuming. I would very much like to read or listen to a response.
looking for mgtow
Looking for enlightment
"When you see the Buddha on the side of the road, kill him"
Who the hell said that?
Lol
Its just an aphorism lol
Stars in the Milky Way: ~100 Billion
Amount of debt that the US has : 21~23 Trillion Dollars
What the hell is going on here?
Why is the country in more debt than there are stars in the galaxy several times over?
Welfare and bad decisions
Really? You think its all welfare?
And bad decisions?
What if the economic and social system only creates spaces for people to make decisions that cannot solve the problems created by the system in the first place?
No matter how much health care, welfare or however many political policies are instituted by a state?
dude, really? do I have to read that wall of text? I have shit to get done. I'll get back to you... eventually, sometime.
I'm afk for a reason
Y'all posting essays xD
@igorbloodscene Noted. Which is why a discussion in voice chat would be better.
But if not, then I understand.
btw if you say communism and marxism isn't bad, prove me with one working example of a communist country in economical terms
(hint: venezuela is a fine proof of why communism doesn't work, if you need an example from the present)
What do you mean by "working" and what exactly is the standard for what economic terms legitimize which countries are or are not "working"?
Because in my opinion, no country or economy ever works because they are all littered with problems.
if you don't know what working means, look it up in a thesaurus/dictionary
What happens when I question the dictionary?
but 'working' means that you have economic mobility
Or perhaps a communist society could actually meet the definition of working under the dictionary?
that's something you don't have in a communist economy. that, you have in your country of origin, if it's not communist.
Care to explain deeper?
I'm not sure that I sufficiently understand your point...
Google definition of working: functioning or able to function.
Many communists would argue that communism can meet the definition.
okay, then your next job is to google 'economic mobility'
@Andrew The Meme King Memes are garbage tbh
Overplayed and trite.