Message from @Brue

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2019-12-01 15:47:56 UTC  

i believe sadly that the nash is that both sides play to identity politcs, i mean look at the republicans, they are doing the same thing, but with white voters now

2019-12-01 15:48:19 UTC  

most of the elderly i speak to talk about how the country is not english speaking and they want their country back

2019-12-01 15:48:54 UTC  

ideally we would both not use identity politcs but sadly, it is more than likly the nash is that we both use identity politcs

2019-12-01 15:49:16 UTC  

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2019-12-01 15:49:53 UTC  

i would like nothing more to treat everyone as an indivudal, but the party which focuses just on indivudals and not groups, will always lose to the party that does, forcing both to start to trend to that

2019-12-01 15:50:30 UTC  

I care when the health of the nation is at risk

2019-12-01 15:50:56 UTC  

In which case both sides are plenty guilty of doing that

2019-12-01 15:50:57 UTC  

if you launched a party platform that did not talk about identity, you would lose to your competitor who did

2019-12-01 15:51:05 UTC  

Mhmm

2019-12-01 15:51:21 UTC  

Even if you make the most amazing and well thought out policies

2019-12-01 15:51:25 UTC  

with probably a p=.9

2019-12-01 15:51:36 UTC  

so over several ections it would go away

2019-12-01 15:52:06 UTC  

Nash solutions only apply in situations where the game can theoretically be figured out and you don't have any information about your opponent's strategy

2019-12-01 15:52:45 UTC  

The more uneven the information war is, the more you can increase your odds by deviating from nash

2019-12-01 15:53:06 UTC  

its comes from inference of the options the oppenent happens, it is the exact same reason deterance works

2019-12-01 15:53:29 UTC  

I work with game theory every day, I know what it's good for and I also know its limitations

2019-12-01 15:54:09 UTC  

Basically the more mistakes your opponent makes, the more you can deviate to gain an advantage

2019-12-01 15:54:28 UTC  

i do too, let me shift from the matrix real quick, and get you the probability graph, i want to see your opinion

2019-12-01 15:58:19 UTC  

http://eprisner.de/MAT109/KuhnOdds2.png

obvisouly it is not as simple as the martix above, that is simply to just help those unfamilar understand the prisoners delema, (which in my opinon is very similar to the binary choice of identity polics or not). We could expand these options further of course, but i still beleive after several iterations of the game, which we see every poltical election, it is known to both parties that the optimal thing for an election is to bring up identity poltics

2019-12-01 15:58:58 UTC  

every local election is a round, every state, federal ect

2019-12-01 16:00:44 UTC  

both sides are approaching perfect infomation and how the other side wins or loses their elections. the democrat who in the primary that does not bring enough identity poltics will lose, proven fact. the republicans use these rounds to understand that they have to be the reaction to this, also go and use identity poltics to win, its the SAD NASH

2019-12-01 16:02:10 UTC  

I don't know what that graph shows exactly

2019-12-01 16:02:28 UTC  

expansion of options from binary to multivariate

2019-12-01 16:02:44 UTC  

I mean I'm not familiar with the options and values

2019-12-01 16:02:46 UTC  

which is what real game theory is

2019-12-01 16:03:04 UTC  

It looks nice but I have no clue what scenario this is supposed to be

2019-12-01 16:05:08 UTC  

it is used as an example to show the expanding complexity, its not labeled at all of course,

i dont think you or I could actually find every variable in the poltical game, but it is obvisouly not binary.

2019-12-01 16:05:50 UTC  

Oh ok

2019-12-01 16:05:50 UTC  

https://theinnovativemanager.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Game-Theory-Thumbnail-final.jpg

do you usually work with two factor probability graphs like this?

2019-12-01 16:05:55 UTC  

I thought it was a specific example

2019-12-01 16:06:40 UTC  

those graphs are okay for two factors, but the second you start adding more variables it is impossible to visually describe

2019-12-01 16:06:42 UTC  

jeeez that quote from biden

2019-12-01 16:06:45 UTC  

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2019-12-01 16:06:51 UTC  

I think maybe there's a misunderstanding, I use game theory everyday for my work, but I don't create game theory scenarios for various fields

2019-12-01 16:06:56 UTC  

That's just a theory.....

2019-12-01 16:06:57 UTC  

"And by the way I sit on a stand, I got hot, I got hairy legs that turn, that, that, that, turn blond in the sun. And the kids used to come up and reach in and pull and rub my legs, and watch the hairs rise up again. So I learned about roaches. I learned about kids jumping up on my lap. And I love kids jumping on my lap." - Joe Biden

2019-12-01 16:07:01 UTC  

A GAME THEORY

2019-12-01 16:07:02 UTC  

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2019-12-01 16:07:07 UTC  
2019-12-01 16:07:33 UTC  

@ETBrooD oh understood, i thought you had a better grasp

2019-12-01 16:07:37 UTC  

sorry