Message from @Death in June

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2019-12-03 16:31:05 UTC  

Not the same words by any means, there are key differences

2019-12-03 16:31:07 UTC  

But very similar

2019-12-03 16:31:39 UTC  

Macron is saying something akin to "the sky is never blue"

2019-12-03 16:32:02 UTC  

I suppose if someone wants to be specific about it, a "nationalist" can be categorized as someone who believes their nation is superior to all other nations and a "patriot" is someone who is willing to protect/defend their nation from intruders and harm.

2019-12-03 16:32:14 UTC  

But that's a stretch

2019-12-03 16:32:48 UTC  

A nationalist is someone who thinks having a nation is better than not having one

2019-12-03 16:33:21 UTC  

Supremacy of one nation over the other is national supremacism or something like that

2019-12-03 16:33:56 UTC  

Yea, which is why I said it was a stretch if he's going for that definition

2019-12-03 16:34:33 UTC  

But oh well, nothing new from the play book I suppose from a avowed leftist. Redefining words to whatever suits them

2019-12-03 16:41:20 UTC  

A nationalist doesn't have to feel he cares about his country because it's has anything superior to another country.

2019-12-03 16:42:03 UTC  

i can be 'patriotic' about my State but just because of how things generally are in it.

2019-12-03 16:43:51 UTC  

Yeah it's totally possible to be patriotic without being nationalistic, sure. If Macron made that point it would be fine, although I wouldn't know why that would be an important thing to say.

2019-12-03 16:44:15 UTC  

often, lefties try to tie the ideas of nazis and eugenics with nationalism

2019-12-03 16:44:39 UTC  

that's muddles things

2019-12-03 16:44:40 UTC  

yep, hence why we should keep pushing the fact that Hitler was left-wing

2019-12-03 16:45:06 UTC  

And the idea that fascism is generally left/center

2019-12-03 16:46:35 UTC  

hitler wasn't nationalist so much as he was an Imperialist. Trump is a nationalist and has no desire to go around conquering other countries

2019-12-03 16:46:55 UTC  

Yep

2019-12-03 16:47:16 UTC  

It was called the Third Reich, not the Third Nation

2019-12-03 16:47:23 UTC  

And he conquered, he didn't protect

2019-12-03 17:09:49 UTC  

i don't see how nationalist and imperialist are mutually exclusive categories

2019-12-03 17:12:17 UTC  

also his foreign policy was largely based around taking back german territory

2019-12-03 17:13:15 UTC  

The point is the narrative of nationalism = evil

2019-12-03 17:13:48 UTC  

By demonstrating that Hitler wasn't even nationalist in the first place, it becomes easier to defeat the less informed crowd

2019-12-03 17:14:20 UTC  

i mean you can't demonstrate that because he very obviously was

2019-12-03 17:14:31 UTC  

He was no more nationalist than any other leader

2019-12-03 17:15:23 UTC  

are you saying that in the sense of speaking to hitler's private beliefs

2019-12-03 17:15:31 UTC  

because his ideology was certainly very nationalistic

2019-12-03 17:15:33 UTC  

I find it funny that "I want my country to be the best it can be" is a bad thing now.

2019-12-03 17:16:03 UTC  

or "I want my country to look after it's own interests first" is a bad thing.

2019-12-03 17:18:41 UTC  

I look at Hitler's actions first, his words second. Nothing about his actions strikes me as more nationalistic than any other leader ever.

2019-12-03 17:18:41 UTC  

Because it's supremacist colonialist bigotry to admit to liking your country

2019-12-03 17:19:31 UTC  

is that sarcasm?

2019-12-03 17:20:07 UTC  

It tis the language of my people

2019-12-03 17:20:45 UTC  

I could understand how being nationalist could be a racest thing if you consider race part of your national identity.
but for me that has never been the case.

2019-12-03 17:21:13 UTC  

or for where i live, our national identity is based on values more then anything else.

2019-12-03 17:21:19 UTC  

Race isn't part of American identity

2019-12-03 17:21:42 UTC  

right, so being an American nationalist isn't a bad thing.

2019-12-03 17:22:13 UTC  

^

2019-12-03 17:22:21 UTC  

Just means you love America

2019-12-03 17:22:32 UTC  

And the people who love it as well