Message from @ARockRaider

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2019-12-03 16:45:06 UTC  

And the idea that fascism is generally left/center

2019-12-03 16:46:35 UTC  

hitler wasn't nationalist so much as he was an Imperialist. Trump is a nationalist and has no desire to go around conquering other countries

2019-12-03 16:46:55 UTC  

Yep

2019-12-03 16:47:16 UTC  

It was called the Third Reich, not the Third Nation

2019-12-03 16:47:23 UTC  

And he conquered, he didn't protect

2019-12-03 17:09:49 UTC  

i don't see how nationalist and imperialist are mutually exclusive categories

2019-12-03 17:12:17 UTC  

also his foreign policy was largely based around taking back german territory

2019-12-03 17:13:15 UTC  

The point is the narrative of nationalism = evil

2019-12-03 17:13:48 UTC  

By demonstrating that Hitler wasn't even nationalist in the first place, it becomes easier to defeat the less informed crowd

2019-12-03 17:14:20 UTC  

i mean you can't demonstrate that because he very obviously was

2019-12-03 17:14:31 UTC  

He was no more nationalist than any other leader

2019-12-03 17:15:23 UTC  

are you saying that in the sense of speaking to hitler's private beliefs

2019-12-03 17:15:31 UTC  

because his ideology was certainly very nationalistic

2019-12-03 17:15:33 UTC  

I find it funny that "I want my country to be the best it can be" is a bad thing now.

2019-12-03 17:16:03 UTC  

or "I want my country to look after it's own interests first" is a bad thing.

2019-12-03 17:18:41 UTC  

I look at Hitler's actions first, his words second. Nothing about his actions strikes me as more nationalistic than any other leader ever.

2019-12-03 17:18:41 UTC  

Because it's supremacist colonialist bigotry to admit to liking your country

2019-12-03 17:19:31 UTC  

is that sarcasm?

2019-12-03 17:20:07 UTC  

It tis the language of my people

2019-12-03 17:20:45 UTC  

I could understand how being nationalist could be a racest thing if you consider race part of your national identity.
but for me that has never been the case.

2019-12-03 17:21:13 UTC  

or for where i live, our national identity is based on values more then anything else.

2019-12-03 17:21:19 UTC  

Race isn't part of American identity

2019-12-03 17:21:42 UTC  

right, so being an American nationalist isn't a bad thing.

2019-12-03 17:22:13 UTC  

^

2019-12-03 17:22:21 UTC  

Just means you love America

2019-12-03 17:22:32 UTC  

And the people who love it as well

2019-12-03 17:22:43 UTC  

Being a nationalist is never bad

2019-12-03 17:22:47 UTC  

Being a jingo is

2019-12-03 17:23:32 UTC  

infact i would say being an American nationalist is one of the best things you could be.
I want to see every country be the best it can be, i'm still always going to think mine is the one worth rooting for just like people do with their football teams.

2019-12-03 17:23:53 UTC  

and that's part of the fun of the sport!

2019-12-03 17:25:25 UTC  

if dems cared about their neighborhoods and neighbors as much as they care about telling everyone else what to do, they wouldn't have so many homeless and people shitting in their streets.

2019-12-03 17:25:34 UTC  

that is a fact

2019-12-03 17:26:11 UTC  

I might be biased considering my parents fled the gulags of China and Cambodia to here. I'd say we've got the best damn thing going here. Modern day leftists/socialists/communists *insert -ists* nowadays have no clue how good we have it here.

2019-12-03 17:26:23 UTC  

you can be a "my neighborhood is #1" person without being evil or opressive

2019-12-03 17:26:27 UTC  

I think nationalism is connected to race, it can exist outside of it but for the most part they exist together

2019-12-03 17:26:57 UTC  

Only when your nation is defined by ethnicity

2019-12-03 17:27:11 UTC  

For most nations yes they're hard to be decoupled with race, tho for 'Americans', that's not easily distinguishable anymore. It's become a lot more diverse due to all the immigrants of the world and it is more united by culture than race.

2019-12-03 17:27:12 UTC  

America is defined by ideals

2019-12-03 17:27:13 UTC  

no, it just happens to have worked out that way before lots of traveling was easy

2019-12-03 17:27:16 UTC  

Not traits

2019-12-03 17:27:34 UTC  

nations tend to have similar races because they were historically that way