Ignorance does negate lying, but it doesn't make innocent

then why even fucking bring up feigning shit?

you're all over the place

We're not having just one single conversation here, you're also bringing into multiple arguments

I didn't only address one of those

NNoooo, I've been very singular, talking about people who are unaccountably impoverished

and delineating from those who were suffering the consequences of their own judgement

I addressed your examples of why people would end up in poverty, and to that response you argued that my claim about innocence was wrong, to which I explained why ignorance does not make innocent using the example of breaking the law, to which you said "way to shift that goalpost", but I didn't shift the goalpost because I had to clarify why innocence is not a given from ignorance.

So please follow the train of the conversation and don't claim I'm "all over the place"

no, you shifted the goalpost by bringing up feigns and dishonesty

No, that was when I was explaining why ignorance does not make innocent, and lying became a part of that explanation

if its feigned its not fucking ignorance, holy fucking shit, pay fucking attention

You clearly didn't pay attention

I didn't argue that lying is ignorance, or vica versa

THEN WHY FUCKING BRING UP FEIGNING IGNORNCE

THAT WAS NEVER THE TOPIC

THAT WAS ENTIRELY YOU

Stop yelling and start following the train of thought, this is not a one-way conversation where only I have to make an effort

you can cut half your effort and not bring up unrelated garbage

It's not my fault if you conflate different ideas that I never conflated

you literally inserted feigning ignorance into the discussion

that was you

not me

I said ignorance

you inserted feign

And it was you who claimed that I equated lying to ignorance

Which I did not

then WHY BRING IT UP AT ALL

You could understand the reason for me bringing it up if you calmed down for a minute and instead of trying to break my argument tried to understand it

motherfucker, your claim was ignorance does not imply innocence, I asked how, and you next fucking statement referred to feigning ignorance. this is entirely your failure of communication

No, I gave the example of breaking the law unknowingly

yes, unknowingly

if its feigned its not fucking unknowing

...holy shit did I walk into a shit storm?
The '06-08 debacle was self inflicted. There was very few "innocent" bystanders considering many parties were themselves guilty of their predicament. It's not just the bankers, but govt policy makers and voters who wanted "guaranteed and affordable housing" for everyone, regardless of their shitty credit.

NINJA loans (No Income, No Job/Assets) - I mean seriously? You cannot claim ignorance or "innocence" in this aspect.

The bulk of ppl who got hammered lived WAY BEYOND their means, purchasing homes they knew they could not afford thinking money is "free". So I'd have to agree w/ @ETBrooD on this.

And I never equated those to things

You did that by yourself

two*

then your sentence etiquette is fucking atrocious

... dude, are you done ad hom'ing?

absolutely no reason whatsoever you should have brought up dishonesty

smh