woah, alrighty, way to shift that goalpost

who the fuck said anything about a feign

I did

now you're implying dishonesty

Because that's what a lot of people in poverty do

so dishonest actors don't fit into the category I stipulated of people suffering the consequences of their own judgement now?

Uh

Yes, but I'm counting differently

People living through adversity have incentive to lie about their situation if it benefits them

That's true at every level, top or bottom

You might be surprised but all people lie

Literally 100%

okaaaay, but that's dependant on their personal judgement

Sure, that's why I started with the example of ignorance

Ignorance does negate lying, but it doesn't make innocent

then why even fucking bring up feigning shit?

you're all over the place

We're not having just one single conversation here, you're also bringing into multiple arguments

I didn't only address one of those

NNoooo, I've been very singular, talking about people who are unaccountably impoverished

and delineating from those who were suffering the consequences of their own judgement

I addressed your examples of why people would end up in poverty, and to that response you argued that my claim about innocence was wrong, to which I explained why ignorance does not make innocent using the example of breaking the law, to which you said "way to shift that goalpost", but I didn't shift the goalpost because I had to clarify why innocence is not a given from ignorance.

So please follow the train of the conversation and don't claim I'm "all over the place"

no, you shifted the goalpost by bringing up feigns and dishonesty

No, that was when I was explaining why ignorance does not make innocent, and lying became a part of that explanation

if its feigned its not fucking ignorance, holy fucking shit, pay fucking attention

You clearly didn't pay attention

I didn't argue that lying is ignorance, or vica versa

THEN WHY FUCKING BRING UP FEIGNING IGNORNCE

THAT WAS NEVER THE TOPIC

THAT WAS ENTIRELY YOU

Stop yelling and start following the train of thought, this is not a one-way conversation where only I have to make an effort

you can cut half your effort and not bring up unrelated garbage

It's not my fault if you conflate different ideas that I never conflated

you literally inserted feigning ignorance into the discussion

that was you

not me

I said ignorance

you inserted feign

And it was you who claimed that I equated lying to ignorance

Which I did not