Message from @Jokerfaic
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People living through adversity have incentive to lie about their situation if it benefits them
That's true at every level, top or bottom
You might be surprised but all people lie
Literally 100%
okaaaay, but that's dependant on their personal judgement
Sure, that's why I started with the example of ignorance
Ignorance does negate lying, but it doesn't make innocent
then why even fucking bring up feigning shit?
you're all over the place
We're not having just one single conversation here, you're also bringing into multiple arguments
I didn't only address one of those
NNoooo, I've been very singular, talking about people who are unaccountably impoverished
and delineating from those who were suffering the consequences of their own judgement
I addressed your examples of why people would end up in poverty, and to that response you argued that my claim about innocence was wrong, to which I explained why ignorance does not make innocent using the example of breaking the law, to which you said "way to shift that goalpost", but I didn't shift the goalpost because I had to clarify why innocence is not a given from ignorance.
So please follow the train of the conversation and don't claim I'm "all over the place"
no, you shifted the goalpost by bringing up feigns and dishonesty
No, that was when I was explaining why ignorance does not make innocent, and lying became a part of that explanation
if its feigned its not fucking ignorance, holy fucking shit, pay fucking attention
You clearly didn't pay attention
I didn't argue that lying is ignorance, or vica versa
THAT WAS NEVER THE TOPIC
THAT WAS ENTIRELY YOU
Stop yelling and start following the train of thought, this is not a one-way conversation where only I have to make an effort
you can cut half your effort and not bring up unrelated garbage
It's not my fault if you conflate different ideas that I never conflated
you literally inserted feigning ignorance into the discussion
that was you
not me
I said ignorance
you inserted feign
And it was you who claimed that I equated lying to ignorance
Which I did not
then WHY BRING IT UP AT ALL
You could understand the reason for me bringing it up if you calmed down for a minute and instead of trying to break my argument tried to understand it
motherfucker, your claim was ignorance does not imply innocence, I asked how, and you next fucking statement referred to feigning ignorance. this is entirely your failure of communication
No, I gave the example of breaking the law unknowingly
yes, unknowingly
if its feigned its not fucking unknowing
...holy shit did I walk into a shit storm?
The '06-08 debacle was self inflicted. There was very few "innocent" bystanders considering many parties were themselves guilty of their predicament. It's not just the bankers, but govt policy makers and voters who wanted "guaranteed and affordable housing" for everyone, regardless of their shitty credit.
NINJA loans (No Income, No Job/Assets) - I mean seriously? You cannot claim ignorance or "innocence" in this aspect.
The bulk of ppl who got hammered lived WAY BEYOND their means, purchasing homes they knew they could not afford thinking money is "free". So I'd have to agree w/ @ETBrooD on this.
And I never equated those to things