Message from @The Electric Lizard

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2019-12-31 23:54:33 UTC  

So Germany could end up leaving eventually

2019-12-31 23:54:40 UTC  

Though I think the left wing parties are more likely to try and cobble any sort of coalition rather than let Salvani have a chance to win

2019-12-31 23:54:51 UTC  

I don't think they will

2019-12-31 23:55:07 UTC  

Unless something major happens i think Salvini will become the next PM of Italy

2020-01-01 00:04:40 UTC  

Just looking at the Finnish and Swedish polling results and party alignments and I'm not sure about them leaving. The only Finnish party that is anti-EU is Finns Party and although they're polling highest they're only on about 23%. The Sweden Democrats are in a similar position of being the only anti-EU party on 29%.

2020-01-01 00:06:07 UTC  

They are doing better then they have been before

2020-01-01 00:06:26 UTC  

There has been a clear rise in the popularity of euro-sceptic parties

2020-01-01 00:07:00 UTC  

Mainly in France and Italy but there has been an increase in popularity in Germany and the Nordic Nations

2020-01-01 00:07:35 UTC  

The Swedish Democrats are doing pretty well at 30%

2020-01-01 00:07:37 UTC  

Yes, hopefully they'll keep climbing but I don't think the political systems there make single party majorities likely, I suspect Italy and Portugal are most likely to be next to go as you said

2020-01-01 00:08:27 UTC  

Vox in Spain are going to be an interesting case

2020-01-01 00:08:29 UTC  

Yeah, they seem very strong and if the centre collapses enough there might be a gulf between left and right to stop them creating a 'centrist' coalition just to keep them out

2020-01-01 00:09:21 UTC  

>Vox in Spain are going to be an interesting case
Especially if the ECJ force them to exonerate the leader of the Catalan separatists

2020-01-01 00:10:44 UTC  

I also mean in terms of their rise in popularity

2020-01-01 00:11:13 UTC  

They were barely even a thing in the previous elections in Spain and then boosted to 10% in the 2019 elections

2020-01-01 00:11:38 UTC  

Going from nearly nothing to 10% is a very strong increase

2020-01-01 00:12:07 UTC  

Plus they seem to be one of the most radical of the Euro-Sceptic Parties in Europe

2020-01-01 00:12:11 UTC  

I've not kept as close an eye on Spanish politics, that's a pretty good rise, they're a fairly new party aren't they? Or have they been there and not getting anything for ages then grown massively?

2020-01-01 00:12:45 UTC  

According to the wiki they were founded in 2013

2020-01-01 00:12:48 UTC  

The party participated in the 2015 and the 2016 elections, but did not do well, scoring 0.23% and 0.20% of votes respectively.

2020-01-01 00:13:04 UTC  

The party obtained 10.26% of votes in the April 2019 general election, electing 24 Deputies and entering the Congress of Deputies for the first time in its history

2020-01-01 00:13:52 UTC  

That's a huge jump! Hopefully they can keep it up until after their next elections. Spanish politics have been pretty left wing across the board since they got rid of Franco haven't they?

2020-01-01 00:14:13 UTC  

I think so

2020-01-01 00:14:23 UTC  

They do seem pretty radical though compared to others

2020-01-01 00:14:38 UTC  

the focus of their message shifted towards stances compatible with European right-wing populism,[48] endorsing anti-Islam as well as criticism of multiculturalism and criticizing immigration from Muslim countries

2020-01-01 00:14:45 UTC  

Vox is considered antifeminist,[56] and wants to repeal the gender violence law,

2020-01-01 00:15:08 UTC  

Some of this could just be biased articles but they do still seem more radical then some of the other parties

2020-01-01 00:15:26 UTC  

Vox has openly called for the deportation of tens of thousands of Muslims from Spain.[59] In 2019, the party's leader demanded a Reconquista or reconquest of Spain,[60] explicitly referencing a new expulsion of Muslim immigrants from the country.[61]

2020-01-01 00:16:08 UTC  

Wiki labels them as right-wing to far-right, but I think you get far-right or far-left if you're Eurosceptic on there

2020-01-01 00:16:49 UTC  

I know the Wiki can be biased especially when it comes to labelling parties as 'Far Right'

2020-01-01 00:18:12 UTC  

It will be interesting to see how they do in the next election

2020-01-01 00:18:26 UTC  

Same EU group as Tories, Sweden Democrats and Polish Law and Justice Party so they can't be that far right

2020-01-01 00:18:37 UTC  

If they make another major jump then they could end up becoming a major party in Spain

2020-01-01 00:19:08 UTC  

Still 3 years until the next election in Spain though

2020-01-01 00:19:53 UTC  

They're the 3rd largest in their Congress currently, but nowhere in the Senate

2020-01-01 00:20:51 UTC  

Someone needs to create a website that has the next expected date for national elections for various countries, would make it much easier to keep track of 😂

2020-01-01 00:25:11 UTC  
2020-01-01 08:29:07 UTC  

Must be those New Europeans.

2020-01-01 15:31:59 UTC  

When we leave properly can we conquer Iceland, Greenland, and Denmark

2020-01-01 15:32:04 UTC  

Just for old times sake