Message from @The Electric Lizard
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Just 20% or so hardcore remainers
Depends on the leader but I think labour in future will just try and campaign for a “better post brexit future for the many”
granted, 3 polls wont mean anything in 5 years time at the next election, but the second boris bounce is impressive
After 20 years out politics will have normalised
Yes, though they've been vocally pro further EU integration and for giving up our special conditions since before there was any talk of the referendum @Hopix , surprisingly we're able to have civil conversations about politics usually, though we have to agree to disagree on Brexit because we know neither of us is budging towards the other at all.
Remainers don't care about the country, or it's people
That's what you need to come to terms with
This article is why @Kunarian and similar's position on welfare are untennable in the real world
Stories like this seem to be getting more and more frequent
It chimes with my experience of the DWP
And is why i'm against the obsession with means-testing and taking people's support away
ANd why I want something more akin to universal basic welfare
The problem is that they want to ensure that no one is receiving welfare who doesn't need it, But the policy they use to find out is far too strict
The main problem is just cost
Welfare already costs a lot
extending a basic level of welfare to everyone would cost a lot more
Wherenever you have to make a decision on that, there will be people who are fucked over by that decision
Which is why you -must- remove the decision
To be fair to the DWP in this case the person did not attend multiple DWP fit-for-work tests which especially in our current welfare system we can't really allow due to the abuse of the system that it would lead to
Also I still find it funny that people want to remove decisions but then pay people like this peanuts
The problem in these cases is not that they're being paid peanuts, it's that they're having those peanuts removd
We should have some kind of UBI system
Yup
Then these stories would evaporate
Because while we can't have people claiming benefits that they are not entitled to we also can't have a system that just completely cuts off people's sole sources of income
I seem to recall you objecting to UBI on the grounds of the lack of means and entitlement testing, Kunarian
THough I confess, I might be confusing you with someone else on account of being old and forgetful
UBI is wrong
largely because it cannot actually be funded
and also the fact that it takes from the poorest
to spread amongst those who don't need it
it also doesn't target need
single people should not be entitled to the same amount as a family
and the disabled need more than those who aren't disabled
targeting is means-testing
because you are testing what they need
What you're essentially saying then it is inevitable that vulnerable people will die and suffer
And that's a price worth paying to ensure people who don't need support don't get it