depends on the car, not all cars are designed for speed as a priority

look at the gt86

it's slower than a lot of hatchbacks, that doesn't mean it's worse than them though

same with the mx5

they're great cars, but there are much faster and imo less desirable alternatives

Refutes Add Lightness

Cites gt86 and Mx5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWgtB_MD24

WELL WELL WELL

WELL WELL

is the 370z a bad car then?

the GT86 is categorically worse than my $5k cheaper Focus ST

I would rather have the GT86

yeah but some of us have more sense than money

250hp/275tq, turbo, 4 doors, same weight, and $5k cheaper

the difference between me and you is that I actually cross-shopped them

i'm not just saying this as an armchair argument

ah and the transmission is way better too

I will admit I haven't driven the current ST, but I have driven the RS

my preference for the GT86 comes down to road feel though, and my own personal affection for rwd

I have a lot of complaints with the gt86, mainly the lack of a factory turbo option and that toyota didn't really have much to do with it despite it wearing a toyota badge and looking imo better than the brz

though that is aesthetic

I like RWD more for sure, but that's not enough to justify the price, lower power, and overall lower value of the GT86

the RS is a good car, but no way in fuck i'm paying 40k for a focus

I paid $21,600 for my ST brand new

by preference for certain vehicles over others usually comes down to how they feel and for the driving experience I like the GT86, I wouldn't buy one though

Feel and driving experience in my ST is lovely

its its just as low as the GT86

the RS is much stiffer and unforgiving, the ST is in the sweet spot

the main reason I wouldn't buy a GT86 is because for the same money I could easily get a supra or R34 GTT

yeah there's that too

its just bad value

I mean, I bought my ST for the same price as a non-GTI golf

well all new cars are comparatively bad value

also anything is better than vw

vw is awful

I utterly resent vw even existing

just saying, what other sports cars can you buy for under $22k?

shame ford is killing everything

ford just want to make SUVs

sadly, that seems to be the future of cars